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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - Bert Hubert's writings

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  • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

    Which idiot is responsible for the "no longer"?

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    America and Europe have been supposedly allied since WW2. That’s “no longer” the case, now more obvious than ever before.

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    • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

      Which idiot is responsible for the "no longer"?

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      AWS and Azure kind of kneecapped all the other cloud providers

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        As a cloud professional in the US he is 100% right. They should be worried.

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          As a cloud professional in the US he is 100% right. They should be worried.

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          Care to elaborate?

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            Care to elaborate?

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            Without too much detail, all heads of US cloud providers sat behind trump at the inauguration.

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              Tried to explain that to the higher ups in my org for months.

              They introduced some proxy/VPN that pipes all of our traffic through a service that is not only breaking SSL, but also owned by a US corporation.

              That's enough red flags to make Mao blush, but nobody saw any problem in it....

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                What the hell is a government doing using someone else's cloud? I have a small business and I bought a Synology NAS years ago. How is it possible that a government does not have its own servers?

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                • foni@lemm.eeF [email protected]

                  What the hell is a government doing using someone else's cloud? I have a small business and I bought a Synology NAS years ago. How is it possible that a government does not have its own servers?

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                  Buying service level agreements on rented hardware is easier and cheaper (you don't have to pay your own IT). Security and data protection, pfft nobody needs or wants that.

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                    Buying service level agreements on rented hardware is easier and cheaper (you don't have to pay your own IT). Security and data protection, pfft nobody needs or wants that.

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                    you don’t have to post your own IT

                    Now you’re paying for devops…

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                      The cloud is a tool of oppression in the wrong hands, and it is in the wrong hands.

                      Let the sun shine in.

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                        Never had been.

                        You just now figured this out?

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                        • foni@lemm.eeF [email protected]

                          What the hell is a government doing using someone else's cloud? I have a small business and I bought a Synology NAS years ago. How is it possible that a government does not have its own servers?

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                          Yeah, that just doesn't scale. Don't get me wrong, what you do works and is good, but you (probably) don't have an off site backup or 100TB of customer data, that is needed in 17 countries accessed by over 15.000 employees.

                          I'm not saying, that you need a public cloud provider for that, there are other companies, that do these kinds of things, but it is more comfortable and as with SAP no manager has ever been fired for proposing using Microsoft.

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                            you don’t have to post your own IT

                            Now you’re paying for devops…

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                            "Yes, but that's another departments cost. Or some lobbyists told me this is cheaper. Anyway, we're locked into the whole thing by now, doesn't matter anymore."

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                              Yeah, that just doesn't scale. Don't get me wrong, what you do works and is good, but you (probably) don't have an off site backup or 100TB of customer data, that is needed in 17 countries accessed by over 15.000 employees.

                              I'm not saying, that you need a public cloud provider for that, there are other companies, that do these kinds of things, but it is more comfortable and as with SAP no manager has ever been fired for proposing using Microsoft.

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                              It’s not like we don’t have datacenters and server providers in the eu. We have hetzner, OVH and Aruba (ew)

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                                Never had been.

                                You just now figured this out?

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                                There's always been a risk, but now that risk is actually playing out. It's a bit smug to pretend that nothing has changed.

                                Not to mention that Bert Hubert has been beating this drum for a long time. However, he also sees that there is more momentum now to actually affect change, which involves latching onto changing circumstances.

                                Pretending that things are the same as ever only leads to a defeatist attitude, where people conclude that apparently it's worked so far, might as well continue doing it.

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                                  It’s not like we don’t have datacenters and server providers in the eu. We have hetzner, OVH and Aruba (ew)

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                                  Yes, but there are even more smaller companies doing that and in the past a lot of companies did that themselves (if big enough) but "the cloud" is seems just so convenient, that they don't want that anymore.

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                                  • 30p87@feddit.org3 [email protected]

                                    Which idiot is responsible for the "no longer"?

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                                    Biden literally was working on legislation to provide protections to EU companies (not to his own citizens) because they had been leaving silicon valley providers in droves for EU ones since GDPR

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                                      Care to elaborate?

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                                      See National Security Letter. Eg Lavabit and calyx

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                                        So China was right in not relying on US big tech

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                                          Tried to explain that to the higher ups in my org for months.

                                          They introduced some proxy/VPN that pipes all of our traffic through a service that is not only breaking SSL, but also owned by a US corporation.

                                          That's enough red flags to make Mao blush, but nobody saw any problem in it....

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                                          Care to elaborate for someone that is not in tech? Does twingate fall in that category?

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