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Macron Suggests Extending French Nuclear Umbrella To European Allies In Face Of Russian Aggression.

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  • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

    French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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    Which of France's allies truly believes that, in the event of an imminent threat of conflict with a nuclear power, France would be willing to defend an ally? Given France's history of double standards and frequent shifts in stance, such a commitment seems highly questionable.

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    • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

      French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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      France also has political groups opposed to this and with government options. We need a European nuclear button, not a national one with promises, nor 27 national buttons. One. European. Everything else will lead us to more war later.

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      • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

        French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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        Viva la France!

        But we cannot expect France to shoulder the entire burden. Other European nation should consider developing their own weapons as well.

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        • foni@lemm.eeF [email protected]

          France also has political groups opposed to this and with government options. We need a European nuclear button, not a national one with promises, nor 27 national buttons. One. European. Everything else will lead us to more war later.

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          And who gets to press the european button...?

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            And who gets to press the european button...?

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            well, the nuclear launch protocol varies between powers, but I suppose it would have to be the chief of the executive in some kind of according with a high military chief

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              Viva la France!

              But we cannot expect France to shoulder the entire burden. Other European nation should consider developing their own weapons as well.

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              Just what the world really needed.

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              • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

                French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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                We have a word for this... NATO

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                  We have a word for this... NATO

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                  France has what NATO doesnt: a preemptive defense nuclear option.

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                    France has what NATO doesnt: a preemptive defense nuclear option.

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                    Preemptive defense is just a fancy way of saying first strike.

                    And if you're going to do a first strike against russia, you need a lot of capacity. A lot. You basically have to destroy nuclear assets in three hemispheres at the same time. Not including the oceans.

                    First strike is a great tool against asymmetric adversaries, but peer or near peer adversaries it's not an option

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                      Macron is a neoliberal d*** to his people, which is why there is so much unrest in France. He blocked a center-left majority coalition in favor of forcing a center-right coalition that since failed, after pulling the same snap-election stuff that got the Brexit in the UK.

                      Macron is the epitome of the rich exploiting the rest. It is just that he understands that EU is central to maintaining his rich friends assets.

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                      Are you from France? Or just another "socialist" that spends all their time attacking world leaders that are opposed to fascism?

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                      • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

                        French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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                        The fact that us Canada are asking France and the UK for nuclear umbrella because of the US is a crazy time-line. Charles De Gaulle was right about the US and NATO.

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                        • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                          Are you from France? Or just another "socialist" that spends all their time attacking world leaders that are opposed to fascism?

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                          Macron is not opposed to fascism. If he was, he would have embraced the center-left coalition instead of forcing a center-right coalition which failed within a year, further strengthening the fascists in France.

                          Neoliberal Capitalists are always open to Fascism as long as it preserves their wealth.

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                          • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                            Wouldn't mind a cold one tbh

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                            It's only cold because, if slightly anything goes awry, humanity ceases to exist.

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                              It's only cold because, if slightly anything goes awry, humanity ceases to exist.

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                              That was terrifying sixty years ago. Nowadays lots is going wrong and we're actively leaning into the destruction of our habitat.

                              Not placing any false equivalencies on the table here, MAD would be worse. It's just that we're used to the idea by now, too numb.

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                                Macron is a neoliberal d*** to his people, which is why there is so much unrest in France. He blocked a center-left majority coalition in favor of forcing a center-right coalition that since failed, after pulling the same snap-election stuff that got the Brexit in the UK.

                                Macron is the epitome of the rich exploiting the rest. It is just that he understands that EU is central to maintaining his rich friends assets.

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                                Thank you; I've felt like I've been hallucinating the past week with Lemmy doubling down on capitalism – but I'm our backyard – and seemingly neglecting that Europe had its own long, and currently ongoing, history of colonialism and exploration.

                                The reach for shoring up existing systems – but just, now, in European control – rather than establishing better ones has been massively disappointing.

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                                • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

                                  French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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                                  Nuclear umbrella is a good band name

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                                  • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

                                    French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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                                    As it should. Federalise NOW! It is the only REAL option

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                                      Viva la France!

                                      But we cannot expect France to shoulder the entire burden. Other European nation should consider developing their own weapons as well.

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                                      Exactly!

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                                      • mee@reddthat.comM [email protected]

                                        French President Emmanuel Macron said it would be “madness” to ignore the threat Russia has become for Europe and said he is open to discussing the extension of France's nuclear deterrence to Paris's European allies.

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                                        People make fun of France for their military due to a meme but damn.

                                        They are ready to protest, have the guillotines and also have Fuck Putin nukes.

                                        Ah France, I hope you never change.

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                                          Preemptive defense is just a fancy way of saying first strike.

                                          And if you're going to do a first strike against russia, you need a lot of capacity. A lot. You basically have to destroy nuclear assets in three hemispheres at the same time. Not including the oceans.

                                          First strike is a great tool against asymmetric adversaries, but peer or near peer adversaries it's not an option

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                                          Bro by definition you can only have two hemispheres. Lmao

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