Murders of two female students prompt calls for a ‘cultural rebellion’ in Italy
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But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.
This meme about prison being for "rehabilitation" needs to go the way of the dodo.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kids. Sometimes the only way to stop somebody from doing something bad is to threaten them with, gasp, a punishment.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for most of you, but it really puts into perspective the kind of person that frequents these forums.
I'm just glad most of you don't have a greater impact on the world.
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"It is often said 'not all men'. But they are always men." Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.
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"It is often said 'not all men'. But they are always men." Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.
That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
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That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
This is about Italy, not America. Social norms and mores differ.
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This is about Italy, not America. Social norms and mores differ.
Well, I guess if only one in four of these "always men" are women, that doesn't count.
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Well, I guess if only one in four of these "always men" are women, that doesn't count.
Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
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Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
While studiously ignoring 25% of the problem. Gotcha.
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While studiously ignoring 25% of the problem. Gotcha.
Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is 'all men' when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
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This meme about prison being for "rehabilitation" needs to go the way of the dodo.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kids. Sometimes the only way to stop somebody from doing something bad is to threaten them with, gasp, a punishment.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for most of you, but it really puts into perspective the kind of person that frequents these forums.
I'm just glad most of you don't have a greater impact on the world.
If the goal of prison isn't to turn criminals into better citizens, then why not put all prisoners in a hard labor camp?
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Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is 'all men' when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
So we have a problem that is done by a tiny minority of one demographic, and a third as many of the population that aren't part of that demographic, yet you insist that demographic is the key factor in the problem at hand, and I'm supposed to believe I, who haven't committed this act, am a part of the problem.
If you want to keep believing that the core issue is that men (or generally people with high testosterone) tend to be more violent, is the key issue, and not that there are people of either gender who wish to treat others as objects and believe their feelings are more important than other people's well-being, well, who am I to stop you? But you might find it easier to teach people that other people have agency and as many rights as them than you will trying to teach men that being a man is a problem. And you might reach 33% more people at risk of engaging in spousal violence than if you just look at men.
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This meme about prison being for "rehabilitation" needs to go the way of the dodo.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kids. Sometimes the only way to stop somebody from doing something bad is to threaten them with, gasp, a punishment.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for most of you, but it really puts into perspective the kind of person that frequents these forums.
I'm just glad most of you don't have a greater impact on the world.
So murdering people hasn't been met with punishment in Italy before? That's news to me.
Of course it has. I seriously doubt that these murderers were calculating their prison sentence and telling themselves "Oh, if I only get 15 years in prison, that's not too bad. "
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It's possible for it to always be men yet still not apply to all men.
Shocker, I know.
Some of these people need a remedial English course.
Some of these people probably said that in Italian anyways.
And I don't expect that kind of nuance from someone whose sister just got murdered.
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If the goal of prison isn't to turn criminals into better citizens, then why not put all prisoners in a hard labor camp?
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Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
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Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is 'all men' when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
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It is legal for prisoners to be enslaved - perhaps you missed that little gotcha in the amendment.
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It is legal for prisoners to be enslaved - perhaps you missed that little gotcha in the amendment.
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Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they'll learn the hard way.
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That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
When yo say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
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The hell? You're the one who was saying "it's always men," then when presented with evidence to the contrary, you scream "whataboutism"?
You're not helping your cause here, bud.
No evidence has been presented
