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Germany is now deporting pro-Palestine EU citizens. This is a chilling new step | Hanno Hauenstein

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  • theacharnian@lemmy.caT [email protected]

    It really blows my mind. Masha Gessen, Nancy Fraser, Yuval Abraham, Omri Boehm, and also others not mentioned in the article. Who the fuck gave Germany the right to decide who is a good pro-Israel Jew and who is a bad anti-Israel Jew? Germany of all countries, being in the business of labelling Jewish people as acceptable and unacceptable. The fucking nerve on these people.

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    Germany has public broadcasters, which are controlled by councils made up of representatives of different groups like chourches, unions, enviormental groups and well Jews. That was part of trying to make sure that the Holocaust does not happen again. However the Jewish community in Germany is rather small, due to the Holocaust at about 100k. That group is also unlike American Jews extremly pro Israel. That is why anti zionist Jews are such a problem within Germany. So the Israel lobby works hard to get rid of them.

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

      What kind of fascist world are we living in that "insulting a police officer" can be a crime?

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      If you call someone a fascist and they arrest you for it, it would seem that the inherent truth of your words should be sufficient to exonerate you.

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        Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

        The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

        But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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        and calling a police officer a “fascist”

        No, Germany, bad Germany. You've done this twice already, haven't you fucking learned?

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          Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

          The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

          But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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          What people on this thread dont realize. It seems like what they did was quite more severe than just calling a police officer a fascist.

          Translated:

          An attempt was made to drag employees out of offices; the attackers were “also masked and armed with axes, saws, crowbars and clubs”. Six-figure property damage was caused

          Source (German)

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          • theacharnian@lemmy.caT [email protected]

            The author of the article links to their own earlier article in the Intercept that goes in detail: https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-deport/

            The only event that tied the four cases together was the allegation that the protesters participated in the university occupation, which involved property damage, and alleged obstruction of an arrest — a so-called de-arrest aimed at blocking a fellow protesters’ detention. None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university. Instead, the deportation order cites the suspicion that they took part in a coordinated group action. (The Free University told The Intercept it had no knowledge of the deportation orders.)

            Some of the allegations are minor. Two, for example, are accused of calling a police officer “fascist” — insulting an officer, which is a crime. Three are accused of demonstrating with groups chanting slogans like “From the river to the sea, Palestine Will be Free” — which was outlawed last year in Germany — and “free Palestine.” Authorities also claim all four shouted antisemitic or anti-Israel slogans, though none are specified.

            Two are accused of grabbing an officers’ or another protesters’ arm in an attempt to stop arrests at the train station sit-in.

            O’Brien, one of the Irish citizens, is the only one of the four whose deportation order included a charge – the accusation that he called a police officer a “fascist” – that has been brought before a criminal court in Berlin, where he was acquitted.

            All four are accused, without evidence, of supporting Hamas, a group Germany has designated as a terrorist organization.

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            They actually did more:

            German source
            https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article255845278/Wegen-Stuermung-von-Uni-Gebaeude-Erstmals-Exempel-statuiert-Berlin-plant-Ausweisung-auslaendischer-Israel-Hasser.html

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            • rickyrigatoni@lemm.eeR [email protected]

              Explain to me how deporting people for protesting against genocide is a thing decent people do.

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              They are not innocent protesters:
              https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article255845278/Wegen-Stuermung-von-Uni-Gebaeude-Erstmals-Exempel-statuiert-Berlin-plant-Ausweisung-auslaendischer-Israel-Hasser.html

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                What people on this thread dont realize. It seems like what they did was quite more severe than just calling a police officer a fascist.

                Translated:

                An attempt was made to drag employees out of offices; the attackers were “also masked and armed with axes, saws, crowbars and clubs”. Six-figure property damage was caused

                Source (German)

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                That was a thing that happened at the protest in general. The state was not able to prove any of the now deported committed any crimes though. That is one of the mayor reasons it is so problematic, just skipping presumption of innocence.

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                • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                  I was responding to your original premise, that “Germans never stopped being Nazis” - and you know it.

                  Germany's post-World War II government was riddled with former Nazis

                  For a more than 20 years fter World War II, nearly 100 former members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party held high-ranking positions in the West German Justice Ministry, according to a German government report.

                  From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.

                  Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler's rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.

                  ...

                  The prevalence of former Nazi officials in the ministry allowed them to shield one another from post-war justice and to carry over some Nazi policies, like discrimination against gays, into the West German government.

                  One lawyer who helped craft discriminatory laws barring marriages between Jews and non-Jews during the Nazi regime held a top family-law position in the post-World War II Justice Ministry, according to The Local.

                  "The Nazi-era lawyers went on to cover up old injustice rather than to uncover it and thereby created new injustice," said Heiko Maas, Germany's justice minister who presented the report Monday, according to AFP.

                  The infiltration of the post-war West German government by former Nazis was not limited to the Justice Ministry. A report released late last year found that between 1949 and 1970, 54% of Interior Ministry staffers were former Nazi Party members, and that 8% of them had served in the Nazi Interior Ministry, which at one point was run by SS chief Heinrich Himmler.

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                  Surprise?

                  I mean, who else would have been able to run the government, when most people with the required skills were also associated with the Former system.

                  Americans deliberately counted on the expertise of former Nazis. Thats not news and actually not very shocking.

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                    Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

                    The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

                    But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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                    What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?

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                      They actually did more:

                      German source
                      https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article255845278/Wegen-Stuermung-von-Uni-Gebaeude-Erstmals-Exempel-statuiert-Berlin-plant-Ausweisung-auslaendischer-Israel-Hasser.html

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                      Can't read German. Is the article about how the group they were allegedly with did things? Because the article I linked to says they were targeted by association.

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                        They actually did more:

                        German source
                        https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article255845278/Wegen-Stuermung-von-Uni-Gebaeude-Erstmals-Exempel-statuiert-Berlin-plant-Ausweisung-auslaendischer-Israel-Hasser.html

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                        As I mentioned under your other comment quoting this article:

                        They only describe what was done at the protests in general. I did not see any mention of the police even accusing them of being directly involved in mayor crimes, let alone proving it.

                        Yes, it is not ok, to vandalize the university and threaten people with axes. And those who did that should be persecuted for it. But it is not ok to "make an example" of someone who just participated in the same protest.

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                          As I mentioned under your other comment quoting this article:

                          They only describe what was done at the protests in general. I did not see any mention of the police even accusing them of being directly involved in mayor crimes, let alone proving it.

                          Yes, it is not ok, to vandalize the university and threaten people with axes. And those who did that should be persecuted for it. But it is not ok to "make an example" of someone who just participated in the same protest.

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                          Thats true

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                          • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

                            What kind of fascist world are we living in that "insulting a police officer" can be a crime?

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                            In Germany it is generally a crime to insult anyone.

                            I think that itself is not bad. What makes it bad is the general tendency of German police to only follow up on that when it affects someone with power (politician, police, etc.). And of course in this case that they punished someone for it while they were not able to prove it in court.

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                              Surprise?

                              I mean, who else would have been able to run the government, when most people with the required skills were also associated with the Former system.

                              Americans deliberately counted on the expertise of former Nazis. Thats not news and actually not very shocking.

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                              I mean, who else would have been able to run the government

                              Holocaust survivors and refugees, for starters. Germany was fully occupied by the US and USSR, so all the big decisions were going through DC/Moscow anyway. Turning the government over to survivors and any resisters you could find would have made far more sense than simply handing the country back to the Fascists.

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                                So freedom of speech shouldn't allow people to say that apartheid South Africa should exist? That Nazi Germany shouldn't be allowed to exist?

                                I can remember when opposing apartheid ethnostates was the correct moral opinion.

                                What happened?

                                What makes Israel different?

                                Or are double standards prove anti semitism when their negative?

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                                There is a line between criticizing a state and arguing for its destruction/dehumanizing their people.

                                And tbh for my taste that line gets crossed to often in discussions about Israel and Palestine.

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                                  Strawman! There is an active ongoing genocide against Palestinians right now, that is the reality, not the one you just made up

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                                  Can you read?

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                                    Have you even read the article you’re citing? It literally says :

                                    The Economy Ministry said on Thursday there was no ban on arms exports to Israel and there would not be one

                                    Also, German arms exports to Israel increase, contradicting government reports

                                    Germany's arms exports to Israel are much higher than the government said they were, with new numbers showing the government approved exports worth €94 million since August alone.

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                                    If reducing weapon exports by nearly 99% (going from billions to thousands to no approvals in last 6 months is insane difference, wake up) is still bad for you, then.. ehh, you people are out for blood. You do not care about any form of sane approach to the problems, you wish to reach for extrememities and do things that would make even Natenyahu (hopefully wrote that right) proud.

                                    I do not feel safe here, I feel like in ISIS HQ

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                                      If reducing weapon exports by nearly 99% (going from billions to thousands to no approvals in last 6 months is insane difference, wake up) is still bad for you, then.. ehh, you people are out for blood. You do not care about any form of sane approach to the problems, you wish to reach for extrememities and do things that would make even Natenyahu (hopefully wrote that right) proud.

                                      I do not feel safe here, I feel like in ISIS HQ

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                                      Keep on moving the goalposts.

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                                        Keep on moving the goalposts.

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                                        ???

                                        Okay, prove to me Germany has exported millions of weapons to Israel in 2025 so far, because I'm seriously starting to think you guys have room temperature IQ

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                                          There is a line between criticizing a state and arguing for its destruction/dehumanizing their people.

                                          And tbh for my taste that line gets crossed to often in discussions about Israel and Palestine.

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                                          Some States do not deserve criticism.

                                          Some States deserve destruction.

                                          The south in the US civil war: deserved to be destroyed.

                                          Nazi Germany: deserved to be destroyed.

                                          All apartheid ethno-states: deserve to be destroyed.

                                          You don't like that last one? Explain to me why Rhodesia should exist.

                                          It seems to me that people that think arguing for the destruction of apartheid ethnostates think that way because they are racist against brown people.

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