It's no contest
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No... the IT crowd is a sitcom FOR geeks. That other shit just makes fun of us
I believe this is what happened to Dr Who. When it started it was for science and history nerds, science sounding gobble-de-gook, cos play outfits, very low production values (the infamous duct tape boots). All just good fun.
When it was rebooted the focus had shifted. The Doctor as the cool guy, a Jesus figure, became more and more pronounced. They started to make fun of nerds on a regular bases. Amazing writing and production values, but at some point during the Tennant era I stopped watching in disgust. -
If anyone is wondering, it’s totally okay to like both.
Please elaborate.
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Not true. Blackface can be funny.
This is a charged topic that needs grace and nuance to do right. When blackface is done with the input, support and consent of the black community, it can re-open discussions about how black identities continue to be co-opted by white media.
Tropic Thunder is a great example of blackface as social commentary.
Sarah Silverman did it, too, as...I think a statement on stereotypes? There were levels there but I don't think they were intentional.
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I've only seen the one episode of BBT, I think the first one, where a goddamn theoretical physicist spends a whole day forgetting the basic properties of light.
My family stared at me the whole time, expecting me to find it funny. Then THEY got mad at me when I said that was the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. Later I found out that Sheldon uses Ubuntu and brags about it.
But, okay, dumb jokes aside - the show doesn't explore any concepts or situations in new and interesting ways And THAT'S why it's bad.
Shelden uses linux. Hahahaha. That's it. A good writer could make a whole episode about that, alone, and it would be hilarious. Imagine him on internet forums. Imagine him fumbling during a talk because his laptop wouldn't work with whatever vidchat/system/software his hosts used, and getting haughty about it. Imagine Sheldon traveling across the country to "fix" an entire auditoriums tech to run on Arch after his failed remote speech. Walking away all "You're Welcome" as the staff can't figure out how the fuck to use it.
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I've only seen the one episode of BBT, I think the first one, where a goddamn theoretical physicist spends a whole day forgetting the basic properties of light.
My family stared at me the whole time, expecting me to find it funny. Then THEY got mad at me when I said that was the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. Later I found out that Sheldon uses Ubuntu and brags about it.
But, okay, dumb jokes aside - the show doesn't explore any concepts or situations in new and interesting ways And THAT'S why it's bad.
Shelden uses linux. Hahahaha. That's it. A good writer could make a whole episode about that, alone, and it would be hilarious. Imagine him on internet forums. Imagine him fumbling during a talk because his laptop wouldn't work with whatever vidchat/system/software his hosts used, and getting haughty about it. Imagine Sheldon traveling across the country to "fix" an entire auditoriums tech to run on Arch after his failed remote speech. Walking away all "You're Welcome" as the staff can't figure out how the fuck to use it.
Funny, but now you're talking about the layman being cut out. Ratings won't survive and it dies after one season. But that would be better lol
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Please elaborate.
So, image there’s a pop band that a lot of people like called “Apples.” They like them because of all the reasons a typical person generally likes a pop band. For instance, the songs are easy to understand, the members are talented, the songs are catchy, they’re not too complicated… things like that.
Now imagine there’s another band people like, but they play rock, and they’re called “Oranges.” So, Oranges are liked because they’re a bit darker, but more topical. They’re a little grittier, but they’re more centered and realistic with their songs and similarly, very talented.
Now, picture a dude named Gary.
Gary likes both Apples and Oranges because his music tastes are diverse. He doesn’t care about falling into groups that feel the need to chastise and ridicule others for what they like when it doesn’t make a single difference in the lives of anyone other than Gary himself.
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I believe this is what happened to Dr Who. When it started it was for science and history nerds, science sounding gobble-de-gook, cos play outfits, very low production values (the infamous duct tape boots). All just good fun.
When it was rebooted the focus had shifted. The Doctor as the cool guy, a Jesus figure, became more and more pronounced. They started to make fun of nerds on a regular bases. Amazing writing and production values, but at some point during the Tennant era I stopped watching in disgust.The original Doctor Who was an educational show mostly aimed at school aged children that used a sci-fi gimmick to teach history lessons (much of which are a bit outdated now). They would alternate storylines between future and past settings through most of William Hartnell's run.
Towards the end of classic Who it was already much more like modern Who than those first seasons.
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Funny, but now you're talking about the layman being cut out. Ratings won't survive and it dies after one season. But that would be better lol
I mean, the IT Crowd ran for 5 seasons while actually being funny to people working in the field it portrays, unlike Big Bang Theory which many nerds (not just physicists) find un-funny
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EDIT: since I don't want the top reply not to mention this, fuck IT Crowd creator Graham Linehan for the incalculable damage he's done to innocent trans people. He's a worthless, disgusting bigot.
Honestly, I always found that episode... Weirdly progressive? Even maybe by accident? Consider the following:
- The trans woman April is legitimately physically attractive and with a distinctly feminine voice to match.
- She's a legitimately very sweet, intelligent, and earnest person.
- She tells Douglas upfront in no uncertain terms that she's trans (she phrases this as "I used to be a man", but honestly, considering both 2008 and the fact it was used to setup a joke, I think this isn't too transphobic? A trans person in 2008 might've even said this because there was less of a support network to understand that you always were a woman.)
- Douglas gets upset because he thinks he's been tricked, but 1) he absolutely was not, and the episode makes this crystal clear that it's because April made every effort and he's just an absolute dumbass, and 2) Douglas has been portrayed in the show to this point as nothing but a juvenile, overdramatic, chauvanistic sack of shit, and we're clearly not supposed to be rooting for him.
- She's a fantastic girlfriend and becomes the love of his life. A big part of this is because she has a duality between traditional femininity and an interest in traditionally masculine activities, but I also don't think this is terrible representation? I have a trans woman friend who carries herself in a traditionally feminine way but hasn't dropped more traditionally masculine activities that she grew up enjoying.
- She throws the first hit at the end, but this is after Douglas dumps her on the spot after they've hit it off, had sex, and confessed their love for each other because he was too stupid to listen, he tells her to get lost, he basically calls her gross to her face by talking in a disgusted tone about "that operation you had", and flat-out denies her existence as a woman.
- It's made very evident that if Douglas weren't transphobic, he could've lived the rest of his life with a woman who's established to be literally perfect for him.
Wait THAT'S the trans episode that everyone says is super-transphobic? In the context of being released in 2008 it's perfectly fine. There's probably be a few things that should be different if it were made today (and honestly, its been a few years since I've seen it so I might be not remembering some important yikes moment or something) but my takeaway was always that Douglas is still an asshole and April is an amazing woman who can do so much better than him
Edit to add: Honestly far worse is the Aunt Irma plotline. Most of the jokes are that "haha these guys are acting like girls" and that plot honestly kinda fell flat because of it
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The big bang theory was not for geeks or nerds. It was pure shit.
I'm a geek and a nerd and i loved it, sorry.
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I mean, the IT Crowd ran for 5 seasons while actually being funny to people working in the field it portrays, unlike Big Bang Theory which many nerds (not just physicists) find un-funny
wrote on last edited by [email protected]As a science nerd I think BBT is very funny, even when the writers make such glaring errors as having Sheldon stop his self-destruct device just before its countdown reached zero - even though he modeled it after Star Trek, specifically referenced a TOS episode the self-destruct was featured in, and even used the same password. Any true Trek fan knows the Enterprise self-destruct was unstoppable after the countdown reached 5 seconds - a fact that comes up in the very episode Sheldon mentioned. A deplorable writing error, to be sure, but I think such things are amusing in their own way.
The only remotely objective measurement I know is that enough people enjoyed the show to make it last 12 seasons. Y'all are welcome to your own opinions, but all the absolutist pontificating is pretty silly. There's no Kelvin scale of funny.
IT Crowd is hysterically funny as well, but it's written differently (not correctly or wrongly, just different) and was written and performed for a different audience, in a different country. There's really no point arguing which was funnier.
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This is a charged topic that needs grace and nuance to do right. When blackface is done with the input, support and consent of the black community, it can re-open discussions about how black identities continue to be co-opted by white media.
Tropic Thunder is a great example of blackface as social commentary.
Sarah Silverman did it, too, as...I think a statement on stereotypes? There were levels there but I don't think they were intentional.
Tropic Thunder had input, support, and consent of the black community?
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Tropic Thunder had input, support, and consent of the black community?
I don't believe it was, no. I said what I think should be done, not necessarily how things have been done.
I still think Tropic Thunder did it well, since it's not making fun of black people, it's making fun of how out of touch white people can be. I'm basing that off what Brandon T Jackson and other black performers have said about it in the years following its release.
