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What do you believe in?

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    Randomness? Or uncertainty? Cause I understand uncertainty (both epistemologically and physically, and more so the former than the latter), but it's hard for me to understand randomness when everything comes from something that came before, forming a line of causes and effects (knowable and unknowable) from the beginning of the universe until today. Perhaps through quantum physics, idk, but I don't think I need to understand it as long as I only take into consideration what happens after the collapse of the wave function, lol. I also understand that consciousness is a black box, and free will is evidently real (go diet or be faithful in your teenage yours, you'll quickly discover your freedom as you're fighting yourself) but is axiomatic and cannot be properly explained in words (it's part of the terrain that cannot be represented in the map).

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    I have read the following very beautiful explanation of randomness:

    You may very well assume that the universe is deterministic, i.e. one thing follows after another, but even if that is so, you still end up with infinitely many stars in the night sky, and you cannot predict their patterns and shapes from mere computational-prediction alone. You need to venture out into the night and see the stars for yourself in order to find their arrangement and yourself in the middle of it. That is what randomness is all about: The stars could have any pattern, but they have exactly one. The same applies for humans: Humans could have any character, but they have exactly one. The true human character causes free-will, and that is what you and me experience as the wonder of life.

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      I have read the following very beautiful explanation of randomness:

      You may very well assume that the universe is deterministic, i.e. one thing follows after another, but even if that is so, you still end up with infinitely many stars in the night sky, and you cannot predict their patterns and shapes from mere computational-prediction alone. You need to venture out into the night and see the stars for yourself in order to find their arrangement and yourself in the middle of it. That is what randomness is all about: The stars could have any pattern, but they have exactly one. The same applies for humans: Humans could have any character, but they have exactly one. The true human character causes free-will, and that is what you and me experience as the wonder of life.

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      That is beautiful indeed. 😊❤️

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          • Humans are inherently lazy and mentally unflexible
          • Humans are inherently evil and the veil of civilisation is really really thin.
          • Humans are greedy in every aspect
          • There are some exceptions,but the above applies generally
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          If humans are inherently evil, why is evil not the dominant force in the world? One would assume that if everyone were indeed evil, greedy, and out for themselves our existence could only be anarchy.

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          • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

            The power of friendship (I have no friends)

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            What is stopping you from having friends?

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            • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

              I'm nitpicky about the word "believe". So let me rephrase: I do not believe. Either I know, or I don't know. Everything else are more or less informed speculations, assumptions or hypotheses at best.

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              I do not believe. Either I know, or I don’t know.

              You know things but do not accept them to be true or real?

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              • acefuzzlord@lemm.eeA [email protected]

                These are some more lighthearted things, but here goes:

                • Sonic the Hedgehog ( Sonic '06 ) wouldn't be as fun of a game if all the bugs and glitches were gone. I live for a good glitch or six sometimes. Same without the highly difficult and janky super speed sections.

                • Sonic Unleashed is an amazing game ( but the xbox/ps3 versions are the superior versions, as someone who has beat it on ps2 and xbox360 ).

                • Due to the janky turn left/right movements on Sonic Lost World and just general movement jank, I am absolutely glad they have the run button to occasionally slow me down and stop me from dying.

                • Also an extreme believer that the special stages ( on the 3DS version of Lost World ) are absolute cancer.

                • Wallace and Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl was nowhere near as good as The Wrong Trousers. I absolutely hated how they made Wallace absolutely incompetent and idiotic when it comes to normal things ( like how to use a non-electric tea pot ) when he didn't have any technology.

                • Xbox style controllers with BAXY ( right, down, left, up ) button layout are the way to go. The only exception to that belief right now is my 3rd party wired switch controller because it has a headphone jack.

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                I haven't played any of the Sonic games since Sonic and Knuckles so I am going to have to take your word on all of that. haha

                I am partial to how the Joycon is set up myself, but I think it is just because of how much I play it compared to alternate styled consoles.

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                  It took me longer than I’d like to think of an answer.

                  Maths.

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                  Maths is good.

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                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                    The world is made of magic, it just differentiated into so many forms, that one of them is science and that's what many people believe is all there is.

                    I feel in the mood to explain more about this:

                    Similar to european school's history classes tend to be focused on european history (we call that "eurocentrism"), our worldview is focused on humans, i think that's called "anthropocentrism". While humans are important, it's not everything there is. There's also plants and other living beings, and in fact there's many more of them than of us. I try to consider that.

                    I'm calling the unity of all life "magic", i came up with that and it's supposed to be a play-on-words on the german word "Magen" (stomach) (representing that plants and animals are connected through an important relationship that is food). Also the stomach is the organ most physiologically/spatially central in the human body, in my opinion. So i imagine that everything's in the human is built around that "central" organ that is the stomach. That makes sense as the intake of food is the root of all animal existence, that enables animal's existence in the first place. Thus "everything is created from the stomach outwards", as supportive organs to help the stomach collect and digest food.

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                    This is an interesting take.

                    I like to think of Science as magic, because it really is.

                    Ancient peoples played with "Alchemy," and modern chemistry is simply that. They would lose it if they knew we could "grow" diamonds, or that we have created an entirely new element.

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                      I believe in social democracy, I believe that it is the best political ideology.

                      It combines a free society with a government provided safety net.

                      I see communism as being too restrictive, and unregulated capitalism as being way too out of control.

                      A progressive social democratic country with a strong government seems to me as combining new ideas with a stable foundation.

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                      What Economic structure would you use in your ideal society?

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                        Morals are objective.

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                        Can you elaborate?

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                          Free will is an illusion.

                          Either as Hard determinism (60% confidence in this theory), or as in some form of Quantum randomness (40% confidence in this theory), you cannot just willy nilly pick something. Its just an algorithm, and, possibly, a little bit of randomness, if Quantum randomness is true.

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                          I agree that free will is an illusion, but have decided that because it is true it isn't worth thinking about further.

                          I don't find the "why" to be interesting, which is interesting because it is like "I" am trying to avoid further reflection on that fact which "I" also have no control over. haha

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                            Only that which has evidence to support it.

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                            How much n is enough n?

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                            • infinitevalence@discuss.onlineI [email protected]

                              A good cup of coffee and the universe does not care about existence.

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                              Why does the Universe have an opinion about existence?

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                              • jackgreenearth@lemm.eeJ [email protected]

                                Believing in something seems to imply thinking something to be true without having evidence for it - otherwise it would be knowledge, a justified true belief. So I know a couple things, like that I exist as a conscious being, and have practical empirical knowledge of the rest of the sensory world too.

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                                Believe means to accept as true or real, and does not define the precondition to the belief.

                                How can you prove that you exist as a conscious being?

                                How can you prove that your senses can be trusted?

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                                  Myself and Sasquatch.

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                                  Only the guy in the Sasquatch suit would say this.

                                  We got 'em. We finally got 'em.

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                                    That my dogs will aways be happy to see me

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                                    This is adorable.

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                                      Causing pain is bad.

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                                      What if by causing pain one heals a wound?

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                                      • oyzmo@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                                        Something, don't know what, but all can't be random.

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                                        I prefer to believe in randomness because it makes everything that much more mind blowing to think about.

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                                          The sky isn't blue.

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