Are IDEs really like this ?
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The IDEs of March
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You get the most out of them when working on bigger projects with many files and multiple contributers:
- Version control integration
- Automatic profiling
- Debugger integration
- Refactoring
- Jump to Definition/Parent/Children/Usages of a Symbol
- ...
For changing a single file, I'd often just launch a simple editor too.
Version control integration
Almost always garbage, in my experience. Except for merge conflict resolution. That's unbelievably nice. But git command lines have always been more reliable and less likely to end up with broken local branches.
Seriously though. The merge conflict resolution in three panes is super nice.
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Neovim >>> any ide
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VSCode is the first development environment I’ve used that doesn’t make me feel like this. It’s not perfect but the base application is rock solid and the full DE experience is the more reliable than any other DE I’ve used.
P.S. I specifically said DE for those people who say VSCode isn’t an IDE. Personally I don’t see the point in differentiating.
P.P.S. Sublime is not a DE in my opinion. It’s an excellent text editor with syntax highlighting. The plugins were an afterthought and it was never intended to provide the full experience. Granted I haven’t used it in years.
VSCode is by far and away the best thing Microsoft has ever done. (I'm sure therefore they will ruin it eventually, but that's a separate issue)
Its good for two main reasons IMO:
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It is plugin-based
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It is (therefore) language-agnostic
Plugins mean the DE starts as a very lightweight thing that is basically nothing more than a text editor. You can then add as much or as little as you want to get the level of features you are comfortable with but without being too bloated.
And then, because it's all plugins, you can work with any language and still stay within the same editor. Divine.
I personally love how lightweight it is compared to a full IDE because I don't like it when IDEs hide the magic behind UI. Press the button and it compiles huh? But how? What's going on there? What toolchain and commands are being executed?
I much prefer a good MAKEFILE where you know what your entry points are and what is going on, because it makes everything so much more portable and also improves your own knowledge and understanding.
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Just use vim, it usually comes preinstalled
For a few files, sure. Idk how I'd use that on the large corporate Java codebase that I usually work with though. Despite all its memory hogging and unnecessary features, IntelliJ also proves remarkably useful when trying to find anything in these mega projects. Features like ctrl + clicking on a method call to get to its definition (even when it is in a different project that I don't have checked out), the refactoring tools, the debugger, etc are absolutely necessary to get anything done.
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The IDE is the worst part of being an iOS developer.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes, and the worst part is that XCode is only available on OSX.
I once had to make an iOS app once and didn't have a Mac so I developed the entire thing in a VM. There was no video encoding, the FPS was in the low single digits, which made it very difficult to even type. So I ended up writing the code using VSCode through SSH through Wireguard connected to the VM on the host machine, which actually worked surprisingly well. But hey, the app did work in the end.
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I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It's a setting.
- Doesn't happen
- Doesn't happen
- Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
- That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.
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I just use Kate
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What do you think it is?
It looks like they put a license of use on their comment
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Ah, is that the way to address that? I don't run into incorrect error highlighting often, and it's mostly great, but when it gets it wrong, it can be very stubborn about it.
It usually works, but it takes a few minutes to reprocess the files if your project or solution is big.
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Meanwhile: vim and Emacs users, constantly installing and configuring plugins to emulate a fraction of the power of IDEs, go "just use vim/Emacs".
So, you've never actually used Emacs?
And possibly also never used vi either?
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Sublime Text + sometimes LSP is all you need. It might be difficult for people who don't know how to use a build system directly, but those people are underachievers anyways.
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Yes, and the worst part is that XCode is only available on OSX.
I once had to make an iOS app once and didn't have a Mac so I developed the entire thing in a VM. There was no video encoding, the FPS was in the low single digits, which made it very difficult to even type. So I ended up writing the code using VSCode through SSH through Wireguard connected to the VM on the host machine, which actually worked surprisingly well. But hey, the app did work in the end.
Wait how can you run Mac OS on a VM?!?
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Just use vim, it usually comes preinstalled
vim fast, IDE slow, I use vim because I'm impatient
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Wait how can you run Mac OS on a VM?!?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I used QEMU but I don't think it's possible anymore. I had to use an older version of OSX (I think I tried 3-4) but that version is no longer supported by XCode.
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I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It's a setting.
- Doesn't happen
- Doesn't happen
- Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
- That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]- can also sometimes happen when your workplaces corporate antivirus you can't uninstall, pause, or change any settings on decides to scan your project files while a build is in progress
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I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It's a setting.
- Doesn't happen
- Doesn't happen
- Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
- That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Number 3 happens all the time to me when using VSCode with Copilot as autocomplete. Copilot sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Also happens a lot when using Pycharm with Python. Sometimes it's great at autocompleting, sometimes it completely gets lost and has no idea what my Python script is doing.
Number 5 also happens a lot on VSCode + Platformio. It also frequently happens on Intellij IDEA for me, but mostly when I am concurrently running build or test while writing. My crappy work laptop suffers from Windows 11 related performance issues, and when there's not enough performance available, underlines do get wonky quite frequently.
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I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It's a setting.
- Doesn't happen
- Doesn't happen
- Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
- That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.
I'm so spoiled by searchable settings that it feels like I'm back in the 50s if I actually have to manually click around menus looking for a setting.
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For a few files, sure. Idk how I'd use that on the large corporate Java codebase that I usually work with though. Despite all its memory hogging and unnecessary features, IntelliJ also proves remarkably useful when trying to find anything in these mega projects. Features like ctrl + clicking on a method call to get to its definition (even when it is in a different project that I don't have checked out), the refactoring tools, the debugger, etc are absolutely necessary to get anything done.
Maybe use tags for that but I've never personally messed with it.
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I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.
- It's a setting.
- Doesn't happen
- Doesn't happen
- Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
- That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
- Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.
So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Agree. I used a ton of different IDEs too and I can say Rider was the least terrible one I've used professionally (mostly on Unreal Engine projects, so having the thing not kill itself when trying to compute large, complex codebases for syntax highlighting/autocomplete was a requirement).
