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    Agile is the third row.

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      Agile and AI rows look terribly optimistic.

      In my experience, Agile you get skateboard wheels. Then you get one pair of skateboard wheels on a bike frame (no handles, wheels, seat, or pedals). Then you get a skateboard next to a bike without wheels, then you get a car with no doors, no transmission, no engine, and no gas tank, a bike with flat tires, a broken skateboard. Next you have a car engine in the car, and windows (but no doors), a duct taped skateboard, but the bike has air in the tires, but the chain is now missing, and one pedal fell off. Then you get a good portion of the car, except you forgot to account for an accelerator or brakes, you now have a bike that works though, except with only one pedal.

      Finally you just end up putting the bike inside the car and it works almost Flintstone style. But you also have a new skateboard that is in pretty good shape.

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        At some point going as far as trying to genetically engineer an even larger hamster instead of just changing the design so that it could use multiple smaller but parallel hamsters

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        they could invest in hamster-breeder reactor engine, which with enough money injection could create an endless supply of hamsters on wheels competing only for space and attention

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        • static_rocket@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          This is unrealistic, agile stages aren't missing unusual pieces that aren't quite critical but probably should be there anyway.

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          First thing I remember, was asking Scrum Master "Why"?
          For there were many things I didn't know
          And Scrummy always smiled, took me by the hand
          Saying, "Someday you'll understand"

          Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum,
          You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
          'Cause tech debt sprint never comes

          The time and tears went by, and I collected story points
          For there were many things I didn't know
          When Scrummy went away, he said "Try to be a PM
          And someday you'll understand"

          Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum,
          You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
          'Cause tech debt sprint never comes

          And then, one day in April, I wasn't even there
          For there were many things I didn't know
          An intern was given to me, Scrummy held his hand,
          Saying "Someday you'll understand"

          Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum
          You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
          'Cause tech debt sprint never comes
          Ooh, tech debt sprint never comes.

          Think it was September, the year I went away
          For there were many things I didn't know
          And I still see him standin', tryin' to be a PM
          I said, "Someday you'll understand"

          Well here I am to tell you, each and every scrum
          You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
          'Cause tech debt sprint never comes.
          Ooh, tech debt sprint never comes.

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          • codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

            More realistic versions:

            Waterfall: the car is "finished" at the end, but replace the engine with a huge roaring fire. The Dev team continues to put the engine fire out and build the engine for 3x the original project duration.

            Agile: replace the cute scooter and bicycle with the partial car graphics from Waterfall, but mount a uniccyle seat and then a park bench on top of the partially built car.

            AI: the whole thing should always be on fire, and have several spies from different countries taking pictures of it constantly.

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            Add to waterfall that the dev team is replaced by a different team from India who don't speak the same language and are abysmally motivated by abysmal pay. The old devs didn't even leave the keys for the car, and the new ones are perfectly fine with just letting the engine fire exist because it was not in the management spec to put it out.

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              First thing I remember, was asking Scrum Master "Why"?
              For there were many things I didn't know
              And Scrummy always smiled, took me by the hand
              Saying, "Someday you'll understand"

              Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum,
              You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
              'Cause tech debt sprint never comes

              The time and tears went by, and I collected story points
              For there were many things I didn't know
              When Scrummy went away, he said "Try to be a PM
              And someday you'll understand"

              Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum,
              You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
              'Cause tech debt sprint never comes

              And then, one day in April, I wasn't even there
              For there were many things I didn't know
              An intern was given to me, Scrummy held his hand,
              Saying "Someday you'll understand"

              Well I'm here to tell you now, each and every scrum
              You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
              'Cause tech debt sprint never comes
              Ooh, tech debt sprint never comes.

              Think it was September, the year I went away
              For there were many things I didn't know
              And I still see him standin', tryin' to be a PM
              I said, "Someday you'll understand"

              Well here I am to tell you, each and every scrum
              You'd better learn it fast, you'd better learn it young
              'Cause tech debt sprint never comes.
              Ooh, tech debt sprint never comes.

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              Mm, yes. Such a wise pancake.

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              • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                I'd like to think that hamster wheel to V12 isn't on a linear scale in terms of step-wise upgrades, but you're right that there's no guarantee that they wont just swap in a larger hamster.

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                No no of course not, please feel free to try our new "12 hamsters chained together" package

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                  Agile and AI rows look terribly optimistic.

                  In my experience, Agile you get skateboard wheels. Then you get one pair of skateboard wheels on a bike frame (no handles, wheels, seat, or pedals). Then you get a skateboard next to a bike without wheels, then you get a car with no doors, no transmission, no engine, and no gas tank, a bike with flat tires, a broken skateboard. Next you have a car engine in the car, and windows (but no doors), a duct taped skateboard, but the bike has air in the tires, but the chain is now missing, and one pedal fell off. Then you get a good portion of the car, except you forgot to account for an accelerator or brakes, you now have a bike that works though, except with only one pedal.

                  Finally you just end up putting the bike inside the car and it works almost Flintstone style. But you also have a new skateboard that is in pretty good shape.

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                  Besides, the waterfall style is that you get the perfect car... eventually... or rather, tomorrow, tomorrow you read this again and check if it's the day you'll get your car.

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                    Besides, the waterfall style is that you get the perfect car... eventually... or rather, tomorrow, tomorrow you read this again and check if it's the day you'll get your car.

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                    And when the car is drivable you do a demo for the customer to show what it'll look like, somebody in the room will ask what the flight ceiling is and things first go very quiet and then very loud. After much discussion it turns out they actually need a flying car. Of course there is no additional budget for that.

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                    • static_rocket@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                      This is unrealistic, agile stages aren't missing unusual pieces that aren't quite critical but probably should be there anyway.

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                      we’ll just launch the login feature this month and put out signup next cycle

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                        I think this should show internals of the car and have them all have a finished car but agile is like 50% zipties and AI is just a bunch of wheels and screws in a car shaped contianer.

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                          Agile and AI rows look terribly optimistic.

                          In my experience, Agile you get skateboard wheels. Then you get one pair of skateboard wheels on a bike frame (no handles, wheels, seat, or pedals). Then you get a skateboard next to a bike without wheels, then you get a car with no doors, no transmission, no engine, and no gas tank, a bike with flat tires, a broken skateboard. Next you have a car engine in the car, and windows (but no doors), a duct taped skateboard, but the bike has air in the tires, but the chain is now missing, and one pedal fell off. Then you get a good portion of the car, except you forgot to account for an accelerator or brakes, you now have a bike that works though, except with only one pedal.

                          Finally you just end up putting the bike inside the car and it works almost Flintstone style. But you also have a new skateboard that is in pretty good shape.

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                          The real flaw in the diagram is that all the intermediate steps of Agile are usable products. All 5 of those are completed, sellable products. Agile pivots way before any of these become usable.

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                            And when the car is drivable you do a demo for the customer to show what it'll look like, somebody in the room will ask what the flight ceiling is and things first go very quiet and then very loud. After much discussion it turns out they actually need a flying car. Of course there is no additional budget for that.

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                            somebody in the room will ask what the flight ceiling is

                            Sir, this is a Wendy's

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                            • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                              I'd like to think that hamster wheel to V12 isn't on a linear scale in terms of step-wise upgrades, but you're right that there's no guarantee that they wont just swap in a larger hamster.

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                              I can't wait for hamster wheel version 12! So much more range than v1

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                                Besides, the waterfall style is that you get the perfect car... eventually... or rather, tomorrow, tomorrow you read this again and check if it's the day you'll get your car.

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                                Yes. The waterfall version should just leave off the completed car.

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                                  Functional: car, but without moving parts.

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                                    I am so sorry to everybody here who never saw the real agile. Yours was likely just wasabi scrum.

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                                      I am so sorry to everybody here who never saw the real agile. Yours was likely just wasabi scrum.

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                                      The only people who saw the real agile were people in a ski resort. Every company says they do agile now but favors processes and tools over individuals and interactions.

                                      (The ski resort comment is because I believe the people that wrote the manifesto were at a ski lodge when they did.)

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                                        I think this should show internals of the car and have them all have a finished car but agile is like 50% zipties and AI is just a bunch of wheels and screws in a car shaped contianer.

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                                        AI is just a bunch of wheels and screws in a car shaped contianer

                                        At this point, just put the Cybertruck at the end

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                                          I am so sorry to everybody here who never saw the real agile. Yours was likely just wasabi scrum.

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                                          The Cult Of Agile with its Holy Practices that Must Be Done without actual logical and well thought about reasons (instead, the reason are things like "It's What It Says In This Agile Holy Book" and/or "That's What I Saw Other Agile People Do"), is not at all the same as the class of Software Development Processes called Agile.

                                          Then again, Software Development Processes are the kind of thing you tackle at the level of Technical Architect, and since there aren't really that many genuine Technical Architects (with the actual chops, rather than merelly 5-10 years experience in a single kind of development environment and a title obtained from a company that gives fancy titles as "promotion" instead of a proper salary raise) around, Agile is mostly just blindly followed without true understanding of what it does, what it doesn't do, how that is does it or why it cannot do it, and thus were and how it actually adds value and were it doesn't.

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