What do you think are the worst carbon causing human activities? What do you think are the most beneficial activities to counter carbon output?
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We have about 5x as much range land as we do arable land on the planet.
Soil stewardship and replenishment are critical to a sustainable ecology - and ruminants are key to generating new top soil.
Also, for the record, not every inch of land categorized as grazable is not able to support cattle (arid, bad soil fertility, mountains and other terrain issues, etc.). When I said we couldn’t meet current demand, that assumes those were non-issues.
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Sure bud. Sure. Just make all the cattle free range and we solve every problem in the world.
Now we just have to subsidize beef even more than we already do so that people can afford their free range beef. God forbid they eat another form of protein that’s sustainable and environmentally friendly.
There’s reality and then there’s your hypotheticals. I’ll continue to discuss reality but not absurd hypotheticals like “let’s just change 95% of our beef production”.
And for the record, 5x is a vast overstatement. It’s closer to 2-3x. Still not plausible. Even if every single inch of grazable land on the planet were filled with cattle (and no other animal), we could not fill current beef demands. And that’s a demand that will grow very rapidly in the coming decades.
God forbid they eat another form of protein that’s sustainable and environmentally friendly.
The non-animal protein that is sustainable and environmentally friendly - where does it get its fertilizer from?
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God forbid they eat another form of protein that’s sustainable and environmentally friendly.
The non-animal protein that is sustainable and environmentally friendly - where does it get its fertilizer from?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]They get it from synthetic fertilizer? You think it comes from cattle lol?
Dude, you cut a cow and you need WAAAAAY less land and fertilizer than if you feed that cow.
And yes, not all land for cattle feed can be used for human crops, but even if we had zero beef, we’d have enough land to support human crops.
I honestly think you’re trolling now because you’re not only denying reality and making up absurd claims, but you’re ignoring my points and not responding to them lol.
Is synthetic fertilizer bad for the environment? Sure, but we need a hell of a lot less when we decrease beef production. If you add more cattle for natural manure fertilizers, you need more land to grow their feed. This is a self-perpetuating cycle.
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There are numbers for these, you know. Biggest sources of carbon emissions are (1) burning fossil fuels and (2) land use change (converting natural ecosystems such as forests, grasslands and wetlands - to plantations, farmlands and concrete).
Most beneficial activity is <redacted>.
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There are numbers for these, you know. Biggest sources of carbon emissions are (1) burning fossil fuels and (2) land use change (converting natural ecosystems such as forests, grasslands and wetlands - to plantations, farmlands and concrete).
Most beneficial activity is <redacted>.
There are numbers for many things. It doesn't stop people from discussing their thoughts on them.
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Most beneficial thing is to choose a more minimalist lifestyle. Buy only if you need it, use only if you must and discard only if you absolutely have to. These principles can be applied to pretty much everything, from eating at a restaurant to buying clothes to using technology.
I agree with this. Minimalism is the way.
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The worst are wars imo. Massive usage of resources to build war machinery, massive destruction of infrastructure that used resources to build, massive usage of resources to clean up and rebuild... And it's usually not accounted for: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/warfares-climate-emissions-are-huge-but-uncounted/
This one definitely does not get enough time in discussion, especially with so many active wars in the world currently.
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For typical middle-class people (like the ones probably reading this), usually the single worst thing they do is flying. It's the only way to blow your personal carbon budget for the whole year in just a few hours.
That's at the individual level.
I think when it comes to flying we should go back to balloons. We don't need to reach far distances as quickly as we do, and we could drastically cut emissions if we grounded all the planes.
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There is no need to express opinions when we have good estimates for both your questions:
Sector by sector: where do global greenhouse gas emissions come from? ->
https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sectorindividual solutions reviewed and assessed by Project Drawdown, including their relevant sector(s) and their impact on reducing heat-trapping gases -> https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions
Both the links above are from a very interesting video on the topic that I suggest to take a look at. Also the whole channel is really interesting and well done -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReXaS4QausQ
I am aware their are numbers behind this. I am asking for peoples opinions on the matter.
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Going vegan was the easiest for me. The Co2 impact is massive!
While I agree with the idea of going vegan for the environment, it is unfortunately an unattainable diet for many people on the planet. It is not cheap to be vegan, even though with the wealth of technology and advancement we have it should be.
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Having children
The last thing this world needs is more little consumers, especially living, or aspiring to, the western levels of consumption
I agree with this. We have more than enough people to deal with and don't need any more people on the planet until the last batch expires.
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While I agree with the idea of going vegan for the environment, it is unfortunately an unattainable diet for many people on the planet. It is not cheap to be vegan, even though with the wealth of technology and advancement we have it should be.
I pay about 20% less than before. Can't prove your point.
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I pay about 20% less than before. Can't prove your point.
It is hard to believe that you are paying 20% less on a vegan diet and getting all of your required nutrients to remain healthy considering the cost of nutritional supplements and foods required for a healthy vegan diet.
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It is hard to believe that you are paying 20% less on a vegan diet and getting all of your required nutrients to remain healthy considering the cost of nutritional supplements and foods required for a healthy vegan diet.
I don't really care if you believe me. I'm just saying what's on my bill. My blood is checked regularly and is completely normal.
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And about 30 seconds on google shows that’s less than 3% of beef production. That’s why deforestation is so rapid.
If we shifted all of our cattle to grazers, we’d have less than 1/3rd of our current beef production due to land constraints.
pretty much all cattle eat grass for the first year. that 97% you're looking at are grass-fed, grain-finished.
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I don't really care if you believe me. I'm just saying what's on my bill. My blood is checked regularly and is completely normal.
Generally when people can save 1/5th of their grocery bill with something that is also great for the environment, and can do it in a way that keeps one healthy, people share that information for the benefit of others.
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pretty much all cattle eat grass for the first year. that 97% you're looking at are grass-fed, grain-finished.
Oh no another reality denier, this should be fun
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Oh no another reality denier, this should be fun
what I said is true
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Honestly, capitalism.
The whole damn consume consume consume mindset.
The idea that things are discarded instead of being repaired or properly recycled.Yes, capitalism.
The hype trains alone are a massive issue. But shareholder value!
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I don’t know, there are progressive capitalist countries which do pretty well, especially in Europe. And there are nominally communist countries which have the highest number of new coal plants and poorest environmental records on the planet.
saying “capitalism“ certainly does make people check out because that’s an irresolvable “problem”, compared to “See if you can start eating vegetarian one day a week and beef no more than once every two weeks”
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Hm you had me at the beginning but lost me at the end.
Me as a non massively rich person does have no influence whatsoever. Don't try to tell me otherwise. I did my part and tried to get the world in a better state yet we have degraded massively globally over the last decades.(that does not mean I stopped trying)
