How much data do you require before you accept something as "fact"?
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Like with questions posted in a forum: at least, having little more to read than just its title
What elaboration do you require from the title to allow you to answer the question fully?
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Hume had something like the wise apportion their confidence to the evidence, and Carl Sagan's extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence can apply. So if those are true the quality and type of data is going to depend on the claim of fact (friend says they bought a dog vs a dragon), and the amount of evidence depends on the claim and your general standard of evidence. If you're lowering or raising your standards for a specific claim that's usually going to mean there's a bias for or against it.
tl;dr 42 pieces of data
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To my knowledge they have been criticized for being biased, but from what I can find their ratings don't differ drastically from other providers.
Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically "untrustworthy" with quotes like "they haven't been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy rating".
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How so? Seemed reasonable enough for the few things I checked.
They're incredibly pro-Israel and anti-anything else in the middle east. Reputable information gets a lower reliability rating from them "just because".
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What elaboration do you require from the title to allow you to answer the question fully?
I would say, a good starting point would be a few examples of those so-called facts and their corresponding data.
Half-jokingly, I have little doubt I could find a lot of data demonstrating the earth is flat on flat-earth.org or whatever flat-earthers main website is called. But no matter the amount of data I would find there that still would not cut it as far as I'm concerned to accept their certainty as a factâIncidentally, I also just answered your first question: it's not just the quantity of data, it's also its trustworthiness that should matter
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If the center, right, and left change over time how do you expect me to define "center" beyond that which is situated between left and right?
I just showed you an example of where "centre" as commonly defined is not between left and right, but opposed by both..
I guess the point is, I think those definitions are deficient, and using them as a guide to understanding what is good or true is probably a flawed methodology. It's kind of reminiscent of Fox News' old "fair and balanced" slogan (which never was, but also just missed the point of what journalism is supposed to be about, which is truth).
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How do you know consciousness is "true" and not also an illusion created by the brain?
Because consciousness is where illusions appear. The unconscious mind canât experience illusions.
Iâm using Thomas Nagelâs definition of consciousness: the fact of experience - that it feels like something to be from a subjective point of view.
Even if weâre living in a simulation and literally everything is fake, what remains undeniable is that it feels like something to be simulated. Iâd argue that this is the only thing in the entire universe that cannot be an illusion.
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Because consciousness is where illusions appear. The unconscious mind canât experience illusions.
Iâm using Thomas Nagelâs definition of consciousness: the fact of experience - that it feels like something to be from a subjective point of view.
Even if weâre living in a simulation and literally everything is fake, what remains undeniable is that it feels like something to be simulated. Iâd argue that this is the only thing in the entire universe that cannot be an illusion.
The unconscious mind canât experience illusions.
How do humans dream?
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I just showed you an example of where "centre" as commonly defined is not between left and right, but opposed by both..
I guess the point is, I think those definitions are deficient, and using them as a guide to understanding what is good or true is probably a flawed methodology. It's kind of reminiscent of Fox News' old "fair and balanced" slogan (which never was, but also just missed the point of what journalism is supposed to be about, which is truth).
I just showed you an example of where âcentreâ as commonly defined is not between left and right, but opposed by bothâŚ
The plural of anecdote is not data.
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I would say, a good starting point would be a few examples of those so-called facts and their corresponding data.
Half-jokingly, I have little doubt I could find a lot of data demonstrating the earth is flat on flat-earth.org or whatever flat-earthers main website is called. But no matter the amount of data I would find there that still would not cut it as far as I'm concerned to accept their certainty as a factâIncidentally, I also just answered your first question: it's not just the quantity of data, it's also its trustworthiness that should matter
I keep hearing "it isn't the quantity..." and I do not understand why it isn't seen as just as important as trustworthiness of source because even the best source needs a high amount of data to back up a claim.
On the topic of flat earthers, did you ever see the video of the guy who tried to demonstrate the earth was flat and proved it was round? The look on his face was priceless. haha
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Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically "untrustworthy" with quotes like "they haven't been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy rating".
Do you have examples of reputable sources from the middle east that have an unfair rating?
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Itâs not the amount of evidence, itâs the quality of it.
Quality evidence has an inherent quantity wouldn't you say?
No? I don't care if the whole world is wrong, some evidence is strong enough to convince me forever, even if it's subjective
Quality is all that matters. One incontrovertible fact I can poke and prod myself means more than millions of subjective accounts. Or even all of science - I'll rearrange my entire model around a new fact if it's compelling enough
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No? I don't care if the whole world is wrong, some evidence is strong enough to convince me forever, even if it's subjective
Quality is all that matters. One incontrovertible fact I can poke and prod myself means more than millions of subjective accounts. Or even all of science - I'll rearrange my entire model around a new fact if it's compelling enough
One quality study is enough to convince you of something, even if it has never been reproduced or reviewed?
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The unconscious mind canât experience illusions.
How do humans dream?
âUnconsciousnessâ as a clinical term is different from the absence of consciousness in the philosophical or phenomenological sense.
A sleeping person may appear unconscious to an outside observer, but from the subjective point of view, theyâre not - because dreaming feels like something. A better example of what I mean by unconsciousness is general anesthesia. That doesnât feel like anything. One moment youâre lying in the operating room counting backwards, and the next youâre in the recovery room. Thereâs no sense of time passing, no dreams, nothing in between - itâs just a gap.
Thomas Nagel explains this idea in What Is It Like to Be a Bat? by saying that if bats are conscious, then trading places with one wouldnât be like the lights going out - it would feel like something to be a bat. But if you switched places with a rock, it likely wouldnât feel like anything at all. It would be indistinguishable from dying - because thereâs no subjectivity, no point of view, no experience happening.
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It honestly depends more on the source to me. I'd like to claim to rely on data but life is short and there is no way I can verify even a fraction of all the truths I have come to accept.
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Do you have examples of reputable sources from the middle east that have an unfair rating?
I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and "um ackthcshually"?
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I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and "um ackthcshually"?
It is itself extremely biased, you believed an authority that isnât neutral.
Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically âuntrustworthyâ with quotes like âthey havenât been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy ratingâ.
I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and âum ackthcshuallyâ?
You have provided 0 examples of a middle eastern news source that is unfairly ranked.
Are you going to keep being combative and waste both of our time refusing to answer a simple good faith question?
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âUnconsciousnessâ as a clinical term is different from the absence of consciousness in the philosophical or phenomenological sense.
A sleeping person may appear unconscious to an outside observer, but from the subjective point of view, theyâre not - because dreaming feels like something. A better example of what I mean by unconsciousness is general anesthesia. That doesnât feel like anything. One moment youâre lying in the operating room counting backwards, and the next youâre in the recovery room. Thereâs no sense of time passing, no dreams, nothing in between - itâs just a gap.
Thomas Nagel explains this idea in What Is It Like to Be a Bat? by saying that if bats are conscious, then trading places with one wouldnât be like the lights going out - it would feel like something to be a bat. But if you switched places with a rock, it likely wouldnât feel like anything at all. It would be indistinguishable from dying - because thereâs no subjectivity, no point of view, no experience happening.
Some studies on dreams under anesthesia.
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A sufficient amount
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It is itself extremely biased, you believed an authority that isnât neutral.
Their problem is that any news agency in the middle east is automatically âuntrustworthyâ with quotes like âthey havenât been found to report false stories, but we still give them an untrustworthy ratingâ.
I already gave you the examples, I said that they unfairly represent middle eastern news as untrustworthy. Or are you here to nitpick and âum ackthcshuallyâ?
You have provided 0 examples of a middle eastern news source that is unfairly ranked.
Are you going to keep being combative and waste both of our time refusing to answer a simple good faith question?
From their own description of Al Jazeera
Al Jazeera has been a valuable voice for the Palestinians as most Western media favors Israel. While most of its reporting has been factual in covering the conflict they have demonstrated one-sided reporting that tends to denigrate Israel.
Mixed for factual reporting. They cite 2 articles that they have found to be false since forever. They complain about "loaded language". Yet they say "straight news has minimal bias". Then they give Times of Israel "high credibility" and speak how unbiased their language is, giving the same examples as they gave in the Al Jazeera one for "biased language".
High credibility is 2 "levels" higher than the middle of the field "mixed".
