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  • M [email protected]

    That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

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    Unfortunately, that's not how Imperial Presidencies work.

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      It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it's not actually relevant since it's going nowhere.

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      • oyzmo@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

        Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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        Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.

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          asdf

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          It's a common American view that the other countries weren't spending "enough", whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it's America that's spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.

          https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.php

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          • S [email protected]

            It's a common American view that the other countries weren't spending "enough", whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it's America that's spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.

            https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.php

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            I'm pretty sure that last decade or so has shown that Europe doesn't spend enough. It's not just Russia's invasion. Military action in Libya was reliant on the US to sustain more than a few days of action.

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            • C [email protected]

              Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

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              Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.

              It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.

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                And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

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                  It's a common American view that the other countries weren't spending "enough", whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it's America that's spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.

                  https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.php

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                  asdf

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                    Don't threaten me with a good time
                    time

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                    • xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.comX [email protected]

                      Don't threaten me with a good time
                      time

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                      Yeah, no, that's not going to be a good time for anyone

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                        This is literally the behavior of a traitor

                        Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

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                        • S [email protected]

                          I wish they were just removing themselves from the world stage. What they're actually doing is shifting away from a model of direct co-operation with allied nations and strong economic ties with otherwise less friendly nations, to unilateral action wherever and whenever they feel like it.

                          Their foreign policy isn't moving towards isolationism, it's moving towards unchecked fascist domination.

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                          lol the currency is heading to worthless, what are they going to buy resources with? Trade also requires allies.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Yep, the USA likes to complain about Europe being security freeloaders, but the only member to ever invoke Article 5 was the USA.

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                            Outside of NATO, even Ukraine soldiers helped US. Apparently, over 5000 Ukraine soldiers served in Iraq, third largest contingent after US, UK.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              Yeah, no, that's not going to be a good time for anyone

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                              Except everyone who isn't in NATO or near an American military base lmao

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                              • oyzmo@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                                Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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                                all of which is advantageous for putin.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  This is literally the behavior of a traitor

                                  Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

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                                  And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

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                                    Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

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                                    • viking@infosec.pubV [email protected]

                                      Nah they want to attack whoever they feel like without having to go through a meeting.

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                                      "This is an invasion that could have been an email!"

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                                      • E [email protected]

                                        So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

                                        So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.

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                                        The worship of limitless work and the military, a toxic obsession with hyper-individualism and isolation, with a paper-thin facade of morals and self-proclaimation of greatness, while everyone is broke, without opportunities, hooked on drugs, and stuck with crumbling infrastructure in vast stretches of remote nothing-land, while getting used and abused by multinational corporations and barons?

                                        Sounds like they're just pushing the mentality of the southern states to a national level.

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                                        • X [email protected]

                                          It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin... Trump wouldn't stop wanting to be a King. As a King he'd work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn't that big...

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                                          As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn't that big...

                                          Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the "Et tu, Bruté?" bit.

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