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  • tiger_man_@lemmy.blahaj.zoneT [email protected]

    I hope nat burns in hell when ipv6 will become standard

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    Any day now brother

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    • K [email protected]

      NAT444 is shit. I can't even host a web server without routing it through a VPN, and my ISP can't work out how to provide an IPv6 addresses yet. Give it to me and I will work out how to use it.

      Slight update - Just looked and apparently they had a goal of rolling out IPv6 addresses to all customers by earlier this year. I'll check my router config tomorrow and who knows. Maybe I will be able to get one now? Would be pretty sweet.

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      I am sorry to interrupt, my ISP gave me an ipv6 address, but I just can't access anything through it even when I specify it in the firewall, maybe they are blocking this functionality because they sell static ips.

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        Wait until we have IPv8, that‘s gonna byte us in the ass for real

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        #100

        Every atom of the universe should have its own ip.

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        • D [email protected]

          This is exactly why ipv6 was never widely adopted. There's too much power in a limited IP pool.

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          #101

          Define "widely".

          According to Google 46.09% of their traffic is IPv6 and most servers support it. It's mostly large ISPs dragging their feet.

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          • G [email protected]

            you could assign every square meter of the planet an ip and use it for location, and still have addresses left over

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            #102

            square centimeter is the one I heard

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              I know it's a joke, but the idea that NAT has any business existing makes me angry. It's a hack that causes real headaches for network admins and protocol design. The effects are mostly hidden from end users because those two groups have twisted things in knots to make sure end users don't notice too much. The Internet is more centralized and controlled because of it.

              No, it is not a security feature. That's a laughable claim that shows you shouldn't be allowed near a firewall.

              Fortunately, Google reports that IPv6 adoption is close to cracking 50%.

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              Ipv6 took awhile for me to understand. One of the biggest hurdles was how is it secure without NAT.

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              • moseschrute@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                Hi I have no idea what I’m doing when it comes to networking. I have ipv6 off on my home network because I was scared of accidentally exposing things outside of my home network. I’m using Ubiquiti. Can someone give me/link me a crash course on how to setup ipv6 without introducing any security holes into my network? Maybe also a crash course in firewalls.

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                Don't worry Ubiquiti has ipv6 issues. You have an excuse.

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                  Every atom of the universe should have its own ip.

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                  For targeted location-based ads of course! Lots of revenue there

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                    It’s vulnerable af. And I mean really, it’s as bad as Netscalers or Fortigate shit. Like https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-abuse-ipv6-networking-feature-to-hijack-software-updates/ or https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-abuse-ipv6-networking-feature-to-hijack-software-updates/

                    Problem is, yes it’s hard to implement but it’s even a lot harder to get it properly secured. Especially because few people are using it, and not securing it is worse than disabling it.

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                    Don't see how that is anymore vulnerable then up 4.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      It has less eyes on it due to it being less popular. It also introduces an extra vector of attack.

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                      #107

                      It does not have less eyes on and it's 50% of Google traffic.

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                        An ipv6 address turns my brains thinking center off. Short circuit at how fucking stupid it looks.

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                        No different the 10.A4.b2.12

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                          I see your satirical IPv6 meme and raise you the highest quality IPv6 evangelism you'll ever see.

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                          That was beautiful

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                            My favorite thing to use IPv6 for is to use the privacy extension to get around IP blocks on YouTube when using alternative front ends. Blocked by Google on my laptop? No problem, let me just get another one of my 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 IP addresses.

                            I have a separate subnet which is IPv6 only and rotates through IP addresses every hour or so just for Indivious, Freetube and PipePipe.

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                            What is stoping Google from just blocking your entire IP-Block?

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                              Just my perspective as a controls (SCADA engineer):

                              I work for a large power company. We have close to 100 sites, each with hundreds of IP devices, and have never had a problem with ipv4. Especially when im out in the field I love being able to check IPs, calculate gateways, etc at a glance. Ipv6 is just completely freaking unreadable.

                              I see the value of outward-facing ipv6 devices (i.e. devices on the internet), considering we are out of ipv4s. But I don't see why we have to convert private networks to ipv6. Put more bluntly: at least industry, it just isn't gonna happen for decades (if it ever does). Unless you need more IPs it's just worse to work with. And there's a huge amount of inertia- got one singular device that doesn't talk ipv6 at a given generation site? What are you supposed to do?

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                              I’m a protective relay settings engineer at a contractor for lots of power companies. I’m dipping my toes into my first substation automation project. Getting to design the device native files, IPs, and other networking parts from the drawings package of site and device manuals. It’s all SEL equipment with a gateway at the top and local powerWAN, RTAC, annunciators, and relays below. I live thousands of miles from the site, so local testing would be challenging but probably have to fly or something lol. I have been doing some research on how to emulate this is a lab setting when all you have is the RTAC and some relays. Is this something SCADA engineers have to do sometimes? Like if you need to test a scheme when you can’t build it physically first?

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                              • oozingpositron@feddit.clO [email protected]

                                >Forbidden

                                >You don't have permission to access this resource.

                                Awesome.

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                                Obviously. You can only access it in IPv10.

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                                • tiger_man_@lemmy.blahaj.zoneT [email protected]

                                  I hope nat burns in hell when ipv6 will become standard

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                                  mind explaining? All 8 know about Nat is that it sometimes didn't let me play rainbow six siege

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                                  • voyajer@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                                    CGNATs suck ass though, I had to buy a vps just to access my own network outside my home.

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                                    Yeah, had the same issue with my ISP, but at least they switched me back to ipv4 after a support call. Didn't want to pay extra for the privilege of not being reachable from the outside anymore.

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                                      mind explaining? All 8 know about Nat is that it sometimes didn't let me play rainbow six siege

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                                      Having multiple hosts under one address for all hosts is annoying. Port forwarding is annoying. Some isps have their own nat and want you to pay additionally for public ip address

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                                        mind explaining? All 8 know about Nat is that it sometimes didn't let me play rainbow six siege

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                                        NAT is like package delivery IRL. If you’re a server and send a package to a client without NAT, that’s like sending a delivery boy to deliver pizza, goes straight from source to destination.

                                        But with NAT it’s like ordering a package online. It first will be delivered to a distribution center, and then a delivery warehouse in your area, and then the courier delivers packages to all people on his route.

                                        It’s way more complex and you now have a whole bunch of points of failure.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          What is stoping Google from just blocking your entire IP-Block?

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                                          Mostly, I'm not big enough to trigger anything there.

                                          Also, since ISPs usually only get a single humongous IPv6 block, it's actually pretty hard to know what is okay to block. Somebody might be on a /48, /56 or /64 network but they might also just have a single IPv6 address. Since you're blocking quintillions of IP addresses with each /64 net, the risk of hitting innocent IPs is high.

                                          Also also, I'm not sure if Google is actually prepared for such a case. Since all the requests coming from Invidious just seem like legit unauthenticated requests, it's hard to flag them on IPv6 when the IPs are fully randomized.

                                          Still, Google is moving towards requiring a login for everything. So I assume that method won't work for much longer.

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