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What things that are legal today could become illegal in 50 years?

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    Or to protest against genocide

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    ...in that you can go to prison for expressing support for proscribed terrorist organisations as determined in UK law, and "Palestine Action" recently became one of them. For the avoidance of doubt, I tell you this purely for information and warning purposes only, and to help you, if you're British, avoid ending up in prison for expressing support for the proscribed organisation "Palestine Action".

    Also to be clear: personally, I don't know much about that organisation beyond what's clear from their name and that they recently became proscribed.

    Don't for a minute think that that doesn't include anonymously online. It absolutely does include what you write on the internet. It also includes (with lesser sentences) wearing clothing that supports a proscribed organisation or posting a picture of such clothing online or in print.

    Historically there never was a right to free speech in the UK, although that changed somewhat with the introduction of the European Convention on Human Rights (which we helped draft post war and which has been extended since), but it is definitely illegal in the UK to express support in any way, including online, for proscribed terrorist organisations.

    You can read more about the 84 proscribed organisations and sentences of up to 14 years in prison here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

    The list includes organisations assessed by the UK government as terrorists, such as a lot of Islamist organisations, some far right groups and a handful of separatist movements.

    Offenses include being reckless as to whether you might encourage others to support a proscribed organisation. So be careful about what you say and how you say it. Consider carefully whether you might encourage support for a proscribed organisation and don't do that.

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      ...in that you can go to prison for expressing support for proscribed terrorist organisations as determined in UK law, and "Palestine Action" recently became one of them. For the avoidance of doubt, I tell you this purely for information and warning purposes only, and to help you, if you're British, avoid ending up in prison for expressing support for the proscribed organisation "Palestine Action".

      Also to be clear: personally, I don't know much about that organisation beyond what's clear from their name and that they recently became proscribed.

      Don't for a minute think that that doesn't include anonymously online. It absolutely does include what you write on the internet. It also includes (with lesser sentences) wearing clothing that supports a proscribed organisation or posting a picture of such clothing online or in print.

      Historically there never was a right to free speech in the UK, although that changed somewhat with the introduction of the European Convention on Human Rights (which we helped draft post war and which has been extended since), but it is definitely illegal in the UK to express support in any way, including online, for proscribed terrorist organisations.

      You can read more about the 84 proscribed organisations and sentences of up to 14 years in prison here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

      The list includes organisations assessed by the UK government as terrorists, such as a lot of Islamist organisations, some far right groups and a handful of separatist movements.

      Offenses include being reckless as to whether you might encourage others to support a proscribed organisation. So be careful about what you say and how you say it. Consider carefully whether you might encourage support for a proscribed organisation and don't do that.

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      Fun fact: if the website you're visiting includes a free font hosted by Google, the website and page you were accessing are sent to Google alongside your IP address. Google assert that they don't use that data to personalise your ads, but they don't mention not using it for other purposes as far as I recall, and Google also dropped their "Don't be evil" motto. At first I found that funny (who proposes that in a meeting and how do you come to agree to drop not being evil?!), but increasingly I realise that it wasn't just an absurd decision but a serious policy shift.

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        Living in an "unchristian" way in any form, be it being an atheist, LGBTQ+, etc.

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          Free expression, freedom of speech. Privacy. Home ownership.

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          What do you mean by the home ownership piece?

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            Dumping junk in space

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            Well that might be the case, with the tiniest nag that in order to get into space one has to be very rich.

            So even if it's illegal it would still be done. And no one would bet an eye.

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              Leaving your house without your papers and government issued ID.

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              In the Netherlands that's already a thing for anyone aged 14 and up

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                Unlocking your bootloader

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                🇪🇺 By October it will be illegal to view porn with an unlocked bootloader

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                  I always had some sympathy with them. It just seems like they want off this awful capitalistic treadmill we find ourselves on. Everyone always laughs and belittles them, but I'm always rooting for em just a lil bit

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                  SovCits are not noble campaigners fighting against injustice. They are idiots deluded enough to think they've found the cheat code to the legal system by spouting the right string of nonsense.

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                  • W [email protected]

                    The concept of being trans is a relatively new thing, by historical timelines.

                    The historical record for what we would now call transgender people goes back over 4,000 to Ancient Babylon. And that's just the written historical record.

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                    Yeah, we just called trans folk hermaphrodites or transexuals or some other words than we use now. Language has been fluid but the concept is not new. Hell, I grew up familiar with it and I was pretty naive.

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                      FOSS running directly on metal

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                        Slaughtering animals for food.

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                        • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                          That's my big thing. They always claim they need a truck to do truck things, but the vast amount of truck beds I see are empty. I don't own a truck, but still need to do truck things sometimes. When I do I pay around 40 bucks to rent one for the day, do all my truck things, then return it. Idk, maybe I'm crazy but I've spent maybe a few hundred doing that, that seems like a better deal than 80k

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                          Exactly! When we gamed out the cost, it was almost double for the loan. Oil changes cost double (there’s your $40 every 3-6months), and the parts were vastly more expensive. So we only pulled even renting a truck a 3x a week. At 80k I’d need to be pulling something daily more than 10 miles 7 days a week to beat the cost of renting a vehicle.

                          Nevermind there’s basically nothing I can buy that can’t be delivered from say Home Depot without me needing a truck.

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                            If right-wing nutjobs keep running the government I am going to say "birth control" and "sodomy" are on the chopping block. Hopefully by 50 years this won't still be the issue but its what they want now. Just to note that the old "sodomy" laws made everything that wasn't PIV illegal. So if you like oral sex that will be illegal now. Sorry everyone no more fun

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                              What do you mean by the home ownership piece?

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                              The billionaires paying for campaign contributions of most politicians in modern democracies (seem to) want to get back to having "company towns" for each of the business they own.

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                                Positive: ecocide universally accepted as criminal and backed up with meaningfully disincentivising penalties

                                Negative: being remotely off grid in any way. Probably a symptom of me being British, but I fully expect there to be a point where we're required to be constantly tracked (location, what you consume, what you see, etc) in real time and it'll become a crime to evade it.

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                                Positive: ecocide universally accepted as criminal and backed up with meaningfully disincentivising penalties

                                I hope so. But I find it hard to believe that enough world leaders are clean to get that thru. So much of what is weird in the news today makes perfect sense if I add these words to the end of the headline: "after a coke binge".

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                                  Exactly! When we gamed out the cost, it was almost double for the loan. Oil changes cost double (there’s your $40 every 3-6months), and the parts were vastly more expensive. So we only pulled even renting a truck a 3x a week. At 80k I’d need to be pulling something daily more than 10 miles 7 days a week to beat the cost of renting a vehicle.

                                  Nevermind there’s basically nothing I can buy that can’t be delivered from say Home Depot without me needing a truck.

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                                  Same, same. Even with high delivery fees it's still worth just paying them vs buying a truck. Unless you need lumber delivered daily, then it doesn't matter.

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                                    Slaughtering animals for food.

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                                    The odds of that happening are pretty damned low.

                                    It'd be great, but super unlikely

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                                      In the Netherlands that's already a thing for anyone aged 14 and up

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                                      And it hurts absolutely nobody.

                                      Turns out, the problem isn't carrying ID, the problem is US cops.

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                                        Slaughtering animals for food.

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                                        Just for funsies then?

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                                          I also predict erosion of 2nd Amendment for non-whites

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                                          You mean like the black panthers and the nra?

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