Does anyone remember Third Voice? You could graffiti any website and only people who had plugin installed could see it. Why isn't there a modern alternative?
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There used to be a really niche version of this idea back in the day created by _why the lucky stiff in the ruby programming community. It was called hoodwink'd, at the time it felt like the way of the future, like a mobile underground peanut gallery. _why was doxxed and nuked his online presence before it ever took off
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Honestly, I know it's not the same, but that's why I have always gravitated towards "news aggregators", basically the sites that bore progeny like Reddit and Lemmy, where you're presented with links to news or random websites and people have their say about it in the comments.
I never heard of Third Voice and truthfully anything that is 100% reliant on a third party app or plugin / extension / mod / etc probably isn't my bag of tea, but still a cool idea.
One of the best thing about old reddit was how often you'd see a post for a news article about some scientific research, and if you went in the comments you'd find something like, "I'm a graduate student who helped work on this research and the reporter completely misunderstood it and their conclusion in the article is all wrong. Here's a link to the original paper, and I'll give a brief explanation of what our research actually found..."
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Stumbleupon was kind of like that. Along with being an early type of link aggregator, any website would have its own comment section that was only visible to other stumbleupon users.
I used to enjoy it, and it looks like it may still be alive in some form. But I'm not brave enough to see how shitty it's become. I'll keep my rose tinted glasses on.
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The product soon received much criticism by website owners claiming they were trying to externalize discussion. The White House website was annotated with topical jokes. Further issues arose when spammers began to leverage the product, and increased issues arose when cross-site scripting security vulnerabilities were exploited in the product.
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One of the best thing about old reddit was how often you'd see a post for a news article about some scientific research, and if you went in the comments you'd find something like, "I'm a graduate student who helped work on this research and the reporter completely misunderstood it and their conclusion in the article is all wrong. Here's a link to the original paper, and I'll give a brief explanation of what our research actually found..."
These days that's more common on Lemmy.
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Pretty sure all these problems can be solved now.
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Easy to police now with AI, if someone gets rich send me some bitcoin im poor
If it was "easy to police now with AI," then companies wouldn't still regularly have issues with all kinds of code injection on their websites, since literally any security vendor would have implemented bulletproof AI protection for it already.
An AI model designed for moderation could probably block some things, but it would be no better than traditional mechanisms employed by large organizations who's job it is to keep things secure, that still regularly fall victim to these kinds of vulnerabilities. Many of these organizations already use AI-powered tools to police their systems, and they know they're not anywhere close to even being a full replacement, let alone foolproof.
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There used to be a really niche version of this idea back in the day created by _why the lucky stiff in the ruby programming community. It was called hoodwink'd, at the time it felt like the way of the future, like a mobile underground peanut gallery. _why was doxxed and nuked his online presence before it ever took off
wrote last edited by [email protected]Did they ever ask why they got doxxed?
Edit: wooooosh
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When the internet was fun
wrote last edited by [email protected]Then Zuck who's incapable of
funemotions found out rage drives more engagement.
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I fear after asking the question, could this be used as a weaponized bubble machine?
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Did they ever ask why they got doxxed?
Edit: wooooosh
wrote last edited by [email protected]His identity was sort of an open secret in the community, he was a whimsical creative brilliant madman that was very well known, people were curious. Check out Why's Poignant guide to Ruby for a glimpse and some foxes
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If it was "easy to police now with AI," then companies wouldn't still regularly have issues with all kinds of code injection on their websites, since literally any security vendor would have implemented bulletproof AI protection for it already.
An AI model designed for moderation could probably block some things, but it would be no better than traditional mechanisms employed by large organizations who's job it is to keep things secure, that still regularly fall victim to these kinds of vulnerabilities. Many of these organizations already use AI-powered tools to police their systems, and they know they're not anywhere close to even being a full replacement, let alone foolproof.
AI isn't perfect, and itâs definitely not a magic bullet for security or moderation. But thatâs true for every system we use today.
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His identity was sort of an open secret in the community, he was a whimsical creative brilliant madman that was very well known, people were curious. Check out Why's Poignant guide to Ruby for a glimpse and some foxes
wrote last edited by [email protected]Whyâs Poignant guide to Ruby for a glimpse,
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The "say no to third voice" campaign website is hilarious. It's very obviously just cyber boomers who couldn't handle people talking about their "internet properties" outside their control
Cyber Trespassing We believe that Third Voice software cyber trespasses on the paid for property of commercial sites, private organizations, and private individuals.
Web pages are publicly accessible surfaces that are attached to privately owned domain names, located on server space that is rented or paid for.
According to Webster's Dictionary, vandalism is "willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property ".
Defacement is defined as "to mar the external appearance of"
Third Voice notes are graffiti and vandalism.
Okay cyber boomer...
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Then Zuck who's incapable of
funemotions found out rage drives more engagement.Too bad âfunnyâ isnât as profitable as âfuriousâ.
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I think the answer to why there isn't a modern alternative is under the History tab on that Wiki page.
Fun idea though, I had never heard of that one.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I assume it's the same reason CS got rid of tags.
The smoke bomb clears and there's suddenly a giant vagina or gay sex filling your screen, and you have to stand up to block the screen because you were on the family computer in the living room.
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Too bad âfunnyâ isnât as profitable as âfuriousâ.
Thing is, funny could be profitable "enough", but not for them
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Years ago https://web.hypothes.is/ used to let one annotate any website, but it appears now they are focused on only student/educational usage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothes.is
There was a plugin that allowed highlighting text on any web page, adding comments, and having threaded conversations based on groups.. it was kind of cool, too bad it didn't take off.
https://ucatt.arizona.edu/news/using-free-version-hypothesis
EDIT 1: I'll be darned, the Chrome extension still exists.. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hypothesis-web-pdf-annota/bjfhmglciegochdpefhhlphglcehbmek
EDIT 2: I found my old account and the test annotations I'd done (and group definitions) still work! Guess this is still a working thing, worth exploring more.
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Did they ever ask why they got doxxed?
Edit: wooooosh
there's a more or less unspeakable amount of money riding on businesses' ability to control the narrative around themselves. this applies to small businesses and big ones alike, and a service like this would be a target for corporations all over the world. a dox isn't a large lift.
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I assume it's the same reason CS got rid of tags.
The smoke bomb clears and there's suddenly a giant vagina or gay sex filling your screen, and you have to stand up to block the screen because you were on the family computer in the living room.
Pretty sure I'd rage quit.
