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Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

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  • N [email protected]

    Why would an organisation choose to over spend on executive salaries?

    Obviously, it's because thats what it costs to get people with the right skills.

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    But these executives clearly don't have the right skills, so they should get less pay.

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    • P [email protected]

      What about Wikipeida? Internet Archive? All of the products/services that live on kickstarter/patreon/gofundme/etc?

      People are more than willing to pay for the things that they love, but Mozilla knows that people wouldn't be willing to pay enough to continue floating the Executive salaries. That's why they don't transition.

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      The orgs that are heavily dependent on federal funding as well as major corporate investors? That run the websites that the vast majority of people just think is free?

      Again, we've seen how this plays out with Patreon et al. Everyone says it is totally viable because the ridiculously popular people make bank. And as more and more celebrities flock to it, there is less and less money for the "small creators" and so forth.


      Also, Firefox and Thunderbird are backed by the Mozilla Foundation which is already doing exactly that.

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      • N [email protected]

        The orgs that are heavily dependent on federal funding as well as major corporate investors? That run the websites that the vast majority of people just think is free?

        Again, we've seen how this plays out with Patreon et al. Everyone says it is totally viable because the ridiculously popular people make bank. And as more and more celebrities flock to it, there is less and less money for the "small creators" and so forth.


        Also, Firefox and Thunderbird are backed by the Mozilla Foundation which is already doing exactly that.

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        I feel like I'm mis-understanding your argument. Are you saying that Mozilla can't do things that other groups are already successfully doing, because "The popular people make too much money" doing it, and "They are already getting that via the Mozilla Foundation"?

        That doesn't make sense to me.

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          I feel like I'm mis-understanding your argument. Are you saying that Mozilla can't do things that other groups are already successfully doing, because "The popular people make too much money" doing it, and "They are already getting that via the Mozilla Foundation"?

          That doesn't make sense to me.

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          The point is that they are already doing what those orgs are doing. They are dealing with a userbase that doesn't want to give them money by getting large amounts from special interest groups and corporations.

          Which is why the Wikimedia (?) Foundation pushed REAL hard for AI until basically the entire editorbase told them to fuck off.

          But hey? There is obviously infinite money so yeah, I am sure if Mozilla drops all those corporate interests and just switches to an optional patreon they would have even MORE money than they already do and would have no need to placate said special interests.

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            But they have a strong history of paying a lot for CEOs that don't have the right skills and connections. It's not just this one, it's a systemic issue for them.

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            On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around.

            On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring.

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            • N [email protected]

              The point is that they are already doing what those orgs are doing. They are dealing with a userbase that doesn't want to give them money by getting large amounts from special interest groups and corporations.

              Which is why the Wikimedia (?) Foundation pushed REAL hard for AI until basically the entire editorbase told them to fuck off.

              But hey? There is obviously infinite money so yeah, I am sure if Mozilla drops all those corporate interests and just switches to an optional patreon they would have even MORE money than they already do and would have no need to placate said special interests.

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              The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn't let them do that.

              Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla's resources.

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              • N [email protected]

                On one hand you're correct in that their CEOs haven't been able to turn the situation around.

                On the other hand it's hubris to suggest that you know better than whoever is doing the hiring.

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                Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here.

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                • grapho@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

                  Lmao. Just straight up rich people worship up in here.

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                  Lmao. Just straight up idiots up in here.

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                  • mystvalkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneM [email protected]

                    Instead of trying to get Google money, I actually wish they would offer a monthly/annual/lifetime membership as the cost of not enshittifying to stay in business. And then severing ties with Google as a company.

                    A lot of tech companies are holding onto unsustainable business models from 10 years ago to make their products at a loss or "free," and it's forcing them into AI, oligarchy, or being beholden to oligarchs. End users paying a fair price to own the products they use is a better alternative than this because it puts the power back in our hands as opposed to tech bros and shareholders.

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                    One a lifetime membership is not a sustainable business model .
                    Two people so not want to pay for stuff a small percentage might but the vast majority won't escpically when there is Chrome which is free.
                    The problem is everyone wants shit got free or 99 cents one time payment for life time upgrades. These are not sustainable business models. Then we complain why are their ads or whatever, well do you work for free? People have to make enough to live.

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                    • Y [email protected]

                      Much like electricity, lazy boards seek the path of least resistence. What's easier, building a world-class browser and properly marketing it and maintaining profitability, or just setting your default search engine to "Google.com" and cashing the massive check?

                      At this point, there's very few people even left at Mozilla that could even reverse the trend. Go back and look at their past few years. Other than some minor activity to Firefox, almost all their initiatives are little side missions that last for a few years and then are sunset.

                      Stuck like Pocket, Mozilla Social, Firefox Send, Firefox OS, etc. The list goes on and on. They invest heavily in some flash in the pan initiative and then ax it off a few years later.

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                      Like the cheap bastards people are they refuse to pay what software costs and here we are. People well not pay for stuff, or expect a one time fee for lifetime support. Software was better when we had released every x years and we just bought that. Want support and new features but new version.

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                        Like the cheap bastards people are they refuse to pay what software costs and here we are. People well not pay for stuff, or expect a one time fee for lifetime support. Software was better when we had released every x years and we just bought that. Want support and new features but new version.

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                        I've never paid for a browser in my life.

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                        • P [email protected]

                          The userbase does want to give them money though. I constantly hear people say that they want to donate to Firefox, but Mozilla doesn't let them do that.

                          Also, I never said that Patreon would give them more money. It would be less money, but it would be more effective, as they could finally ditch the worthless exectutives that keep draining Mozilla's resources.

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                          The userbase does want to give them money though

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                          2. Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

                          It would be less money, but it would be more effective

                          Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.

                          Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

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                          • N [email protected]

                            The userbase does want to give them money though

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                            2. Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

                            It would be less money, but it would be more effective

                            Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.

                            Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

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                            Citation requested

                            Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You'll find it.

                            Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

                            That's not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn't let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it's executives.

                            Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.

                            Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn't. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less

                            Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

                            I have. But you clearly didn't read what I posted. If you aren't going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?

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                              Citation requested

                              Do some searching here, on reddit, etc. You'll find it.

                              Good for the massive waves of people who want to give Mozilla money. They already can https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/?form=donate-header

                              That's not what I said. I said that they wanted to donate to Firefox, not Mozilla. I find it very telling that Mozilla doesn't let them do that, but insteads forces people to donate to the org, that overpays it's executives.

                              Oh yeah. I LOVE when my boss tells me that I am going to get paid less but I will be more effective because of it. Oh, wait, no I don't.

                              Who said that the people who are actually working on Firefox would get paid less? I certainly didn't. I clearly said that the useless executives would get paid less

                              Honestly? it sounds like you don't care about reality and just care about things being ideologically pure for you with the expectation that it will all work out. So... maybe try to educate yourself on any of all this before trying to have a discussion about it?

                              I have. But you clearly didn't read what I posted. If you aren't going to address the things that I wrote, why comment?

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                              Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague "Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better" nonsense. And the REAL problem is that... Thunderbird exists?

                              None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don't actually show up to pay

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                                Apologies but I have a hard time addressing a lack of evidence and vague "Okay, we fire all the managers and get rid of most of the funding sources and everything will be better" nonsense. And the REAL problem is that... Thunderbird exists?

                                None of this is new or unique. Hell, the frigging Linux Kernel has a LOT of corporate sponsorship simply because users don't actually show up to pay

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                                And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.

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                                  And I have a hard time addressing people who refuse to research, and keep arguing against things that I never said.

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                                  ... do you often find people who research and argue your points to you for you?

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                                    ... do you often find people who research and argue your points to you for you?

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                                    Yes. I find a lot of people actually learn what they are talking about before talking about it. I also find that a lot of people read what I write, and address those points, rather than points that I never made.

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                                      where is this AI bloat exactly? I use Firefox every day and see no difference

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                                      Still waiting for this bloat to show up, and I'm on the latest update.

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        There is none, this is all AI=bad knee-jerk reaction. From what I can tell, so far Firefox has 3 ML-based systems implemented:

                                        • Site / text translation - fully local, small model, requires manual action from user
                                        • Tab grouping suggestions - fully local, small model, requires manual action from user
                                        • Image alt text generation (when adding images to a PDF) - fully local, small model, looks like it's enabled by default but can be turned off directly in the modal that appears when adding alt text

                                        All of these models are small enough to be quickly run locally on mobile devices with minimal wait time. The CPU spikes appear to be a bug in the inference module implementation - not an intended behavior.

                                        Firefox also provides UI for connecting to cloud-based chatbots on a sidebar, but they need to be manually enabled to be used. The sidebar is also customizable so anyone who doesn't want this button there can just remove it. There's also a setting in about:config that removes it harder.

                                        I actually really like the way Mozilla is introducing these features. I recently had to visit another country's post office site and having the ability to just instantly translate it directly on my device is great.

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                                        You meant to tell me the general public has kneejerk reactions and don't know how a computer works?

                                        What a shock that lemmy bashes Mozilla for doing their job.

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          You can literally do it through the menu. Go to settings, hit labs or search "ai" and untick it

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                                          no AI

                                          /edit: There's a setting under General -> Tabs for the tab group naming suggestions.

                                          The article only talked about about:config.

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