How can we make the Fediverse more positive and wholesome?
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Change the sorting algorithms?
I’m not sure of the details, but the default “Hot” algorithm for Lemmy surfaces ragebait from popular subs first, while Scaled or New Comments are way more wholesome.
This should be an ongoing experiment, but I think “Hot” or whatever is default should boost quiet communities more.
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Try to be insightful, supportive, and ask questions that lead to discussion
wrote last edited by [email protected]This is a good point, I like how you've simplified it into 3 easy to follow steps; Do you have any more advice?
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My thought process:
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Post wholesome content. You need to be providing what you want to see, first and foremost. Provocative content is easy engagement, but wholesome stuff is both a little harder to find and to get people to interact with.
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Support other people doing what you like. See a post you like with no or low comments? Leave a comment to show that person other people want more. Likes are nice and all, but I personally post things I'm interested in and want to discuss. If I get likes, but nobody is talking with me, I get bored and feel like posting less.
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Clarify when you post or comment. If you're sharing an opinion, make that clear. If you're interested in a subject but understand you aren't an expert, make sure you're not coming off as one. If you're bringing facts, support them with quotes and citations and be sure to credit others where it's due.
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Respect constructive discussions. If people are rude, feel free to ignore them. No one wants to see 2 stubborn randos arguing in a thread though. If people give counterpoints or ask questions of your opinion, return the politeness given or steer it back to positive interior you feel it isn't.
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Discipline is required if I can't stick to my principles that I've outlined. If I think what I'm going to post is going to rule people up or if I think I'm saying too much about something I'm not very informed on, am I better off hitting cancel than post?
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Please don't, disneyfication is as bad as enshitifcation.
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Tax the rich out of existence and watch how the quality of life goes up everywhere and everything starts being good again.
Idk, I think the fediverse is sufficiently positive. I also think society is going through a wealth inequality period common with most of history, and we're either going to correct it or continue to suffer on a global scale. I don't think I want to be a part of any aggregation site that isn't tuned into the real world.
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I mean. Its pretty great compared to the rest of the internet.
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You'd have to change humanity.
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Tax the rich out of existence and watch how the quality of life goes up everywhere and everything starts being good again.
Idk, I think the fediverse is sufficiently positive. I also think society is going through a wealth inequality period common with most of history, and we're either going to correct it or continue to suffer on a global scale. I don't think I want to be a part of any aggregation site that isn't tuned into the real world.
Hahaha, right.
As if being rich is why we're all assholes at one time or another.
Its the way of humanity, all of us have a different experience, all of us are struggling in our own ways (though most of it is a common experience).
If I had indigestion right now, my response may have been more snarly, but I don't, so this is what you get. Wait ten minutes, and I could be the ass in this conversation.
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Please don't, disneyfication is as bad as enshitifcation.
I'd say worse, because it's delusional.
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My thought process:
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Post wholesome content. You need to be providing what you want to see, first and foremost. Provocative content is easy engagement, but wholesome stuff is both a little harder to find and to get people to interact with.
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Support other people doing what you like. See a post you like with no or low comments? Leave a comment to show that person other people want more. Likes are nice and all, but I personally post things I'm interested in and want to discuss. If I get likes, but nobody is talking with me, I get bored and feel like posting less.
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Clarify when you post or comment. If you're sharing an opinion, make that clear. If you're interested in a subject but understand you aren't an expert, make sure you're not coming off as one. If you're bringing facts, support them with quotes and citations and be sure to credit others where it's due.
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Respect constructive discussions. If people are rude, feel free to ignore them. No one wants to see 2 stubborn randos arguing in a thread though. If people give counterpoints or ask questions of your opinion, return the politeness given or steer it back to positive interior you feel it isn't.
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Discipline is required if I can't stick to my principles that I've outlined. If I think what I'm going to post is going to rule people up or if I think I'm saying too much about something I'm not very informed on, am I better off hitting cancel than post?
Bingo.
Each of us doing these things is the key.
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Bingo.
Each of us doing these things is the key.
You've never needed everyone for something, that's unrealistic. A village doesn't require the exact same behavior from all people to function smoothly, and any such bottleneck would create weaknesses anyway. You just need that to be the prevailing culture.
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Admittedly blocking isn't directly effective, but it could be if it generally gets people to stop feeding trolls, thus cutting off reward feedback loops for bad actors.
Just a thought.
In a world where trolling was done as a recreational activity, this was a good strategy. This is not that world anymore, though, this is a world where right wing fight clubs are popping up in dozens of countries. Trolls are no longer recreational, they're trying to slowly and gradually change the world in their image.
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This is a good point, I like how you've simplified it into 3 easy to follow steps; Do you have any more advice?
Thank you. Sure, I will list a few more:
-in general, try to be polite
-make an effort to be an active participant in the communities you are a part of
-donate to the developers if you have the means to do so
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Fix the world it exists in.
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Stop posting world news (unless it’s specifically wholesome news).
From a reader perspective, filter out everything news related (or subscribe to everything you want to see and only browse by subscribed).
When you create a piefed account it asks if you want to filter the "Trump & Musk" keywords by default, that’s pretty cool.
There needs to be a way to tag news posts across instances.
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Bingo.
Each of us doing these things is the key.
That's what I'm talking about!
It's a few comments more positive in here already.
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Hahaha, right.
As if being rich is why we're all assholes at one time or another.
Its the way of humanity, all of us have a different experience, all of us are struggling in our own ways (though most of it is a common experience).
If I had indigestion right now, my response may have been more snarly, but I don't, so this is what you get. Wait ten minutes, and I could be the ass in this conversation.
Are you claiming better living standards for everyone wouldn't reduce people's aggression, apathy, or lack of energy? I'm just trying to understand what your point is, because it seems immature putting it kindly.
People having money for good education, good healthcare, good public transit, time for community building, for hobbies, for art logically, obviously, and experimentally reduce trauma - crime - sadness. I mean you name it, money helps people in every statistic (up to a point). That seems fuckin obvious and not worth debating if someone disagreed.
All I did was append the notion that right now most people are losing purchasing power, losing quality of living, compared to just a few generations ago, because of wealth inequality. It's why we can't buy houses, it's why there's so much debt, it's why we can't seem to make effective change at the rate at which it's needed. Tax the rich out of existence such that money remains in the hands of the working class and we'd all start to see improvements along every metric we care about.
If Lemmy seems negative, it's because the world is in a negative zeitgeist right now due to the negative happenings. If one would want to make Lemmy positive, just like every where else in their life, they would need to address the root cause which I'm suggesting is wealth inequality.
I also further express that artificially creating a positive space on a site who's purpose is Link aggregation seems less useful to me than one that keeps me informed about the various topics I like - including the positive and negative.
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For replying: Give others the benefit of the doubt. If you're not sure, ask clarifying questions instead of assuming things and attacking first.
I see too many people fall for this basic thing.
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I'd say worse, because it's delusional.
I'd say it's not as bad because it comes from (I think) a genuinely well meaning place, but it is definitely destructive, both just on its own and because it will produce a Streisand effect from the people it pisses off and cause them to devolve into full time trolls when they might not otherwise
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I mean. Its pretty great compared to the rest of the internet.
Yeah, always room for improvement, but from my limited perspective this site does pretty well
