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  • redsnt@feddit.dkR [email protected]

    I was already on Mastodon by just having a Vivaldi (the chromium browser) account, and it's just lovely
    I've spent most of the day setting up lemmy, even though I joined feddit.dk 2 years ago, it's only just now I'm taking it seriously.
    And, while not related to the fediverse per se, I switched to linux a year ago.
    The only service that's hard to drop/switch away from is Youtube imo.

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    I’m having more trouble dropping Facebook messenger.

    Pretty much everything “real life social” is organized through that. While I haven’t posted anything on Facebook for years, news from my local community, kids after school activities, birthday parties, etc are all organized through that.

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      I'm running my own instance, and typically post my stuff on mastodon, so I guess I have made the first step?

      It's a bit of a Catch-22 I suppose ... low numbers of viewers makes it less attractive for creators, and fewer interesting creators make it less attractive for viewers.

      Taking into account the other aspects that make it less attractive for viewers (fragmentation and inconvenience ... having to dig through "Find the right instance for you" tutorials, no matter how well curated, can be a bit of a turn-off compared to just going to a central point and find what you're looking for), I don't have that much hope that it'll reach a critical mass of both viewers and creators to catapult Peertube into large-scale relevance ... as sad as I am about saying that.

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      Cool. What’s your instance?

      And yes, it is a catch-22 or a “chicken before the egg” issue, but I’m confident we will see even more content creators on PeerTube in the future.

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        I can understand it. I was banned without reason from 3 of the top mastodon instances before even posting anything. Creating new accounts is a hassle, and it's easy to lose faith in the system when bans happen without reason and none of the instances cared to respond to my appeals. In heinsight, I'm sure the ban was due to my username looking like a hash, but I still find it crazy that the appeals were ignored.

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        Dqw4, I'll never forget that link.

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          I support the cause in general but: Signal is not federated at all. It may seem like a decent alternative to WhatsApp but is it really? It still falls under the same US jurisdiction. Let's say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case? I don't think so. Sadly i can't name a much better alternative. Maybe matrix. But it has other issues.

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            I support the cause in general but: Signal is not federated at all. It may seem like a decent alternative to WhatsApp but is it really? It still falls under the same US jurisdiction. Let's say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case? I don't think so. Sadly i can't name a much better alternative. Maybe matrix. But it has other issues.

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            We should stop being naive. Immersing ourselves as a society into facebook and twitter significantly contributed to the shit situation we are in now. Going to Signal seems like a short term solution. We should have some idea where to go on the long term.

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              “I’m sick of apps owned by American oligarchs who want to steal my data! This app owned by Chinese oligarchs will surely be a better experience”

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              So far it's been a wildly better experience

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              • viking@infosec.pubV [email protected]

                Sure, just give your data to China and get their ads, who cares.

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                Rednote doesn't have ads

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                • jake_farm@sopuli.xyzJ [email protected]

                  They use a different protocol from the "fediverse".

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                  The fact that you or anyone thinks that matters is part of the problem. Not every federated site needs to be federated with every other federated site. That's half the point of federation.

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                    Ye no shit but I replied to a comment not the post. There's already 5 comments saying that

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                    Yeah, and the comment was made in the context of the post so maybe don't ignore it.

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                      Ye no shit but I replied to a comment not the post. There's already 5 comments saying that

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                      Things I've learned: the people in this community hate bluesky on principle, their principles are insular and toxic, and they can't read.

                      This is why people aren't going to mastadon more than Bluesky; because y'all're insufferable. I made the comment in context of the post, so why would you ignore it?

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                        I mean, yeah... the fediverse, specifically, are AP servers, which is why we don't include diaspora for it.

                        It's decentralized and federated, to be sure, just not the "fediverse".

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                        Fediverse is about federation. It’s not Activityverse. So yeah, email, Usenet, IRC, XMPP, Matrix… all Fediverse, all an antidote to corporate walled gardens.

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                          Yes, it isn't federated, but you can host your own server for your community. That way you are independent of any central organization.

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                          I get that, its basically just going back to the model we had before with Teamspeak/Mumble/Ventrilo where the image is meant to be specifically about Federated alternatives/

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                            Absolutely, signal isn't federated, but I don't want my messaging app to be federated. I want my social media to be federated. Lemmy is good because it's open. Signal is good because it's shut.

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                            That’s your preference and there’s nothing wrong with it. Doesn’t make Signal a Fediverse alternative. Matrix fits that use case.

                            I prefer my messaging to be federated for the same reason I don’t want my other services depending on the benevolence of a single actor. But that’s me.

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                              Fediverse is about federation. It’s not Activityverse. So yeah, email, Usenet, IRC, XMPP, Matrix… all Fediverse, all an antidote to corporate walled gardens.

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                              I'm just saying that there's deficiencies in those other networks. Just that they are different networks.

                              Now if an xmpp user can directly message or communicate with a Mastodon user... then they'd be both part of the "fediverse".

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                                Don't use Matrix the devs knew about sidechannel vulnerabilities and ignored them for years. This is peak negligence and should immediately disqualify you from touching anything security related.

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                                the author literally picked random projects from github tagged as matrix, without considering their prevalence or whether they are actually maintained etc.

                                if you actually look at % of impacted clients, it’s tiny.

                                meanwhile, it is very unclear that any sidechannel attack on a libolm based client is practical over the network (which is why we didn’t fix this years ago). After all, the limited primitives are commented on in the readme and https://github.com/matrix-org/olm/issues/3 since day 1.

                                From your link.

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                                  I'm just saying that there's deficiencies in those other networks. Just that they are different networks.

                                  Now if an xmpp user can directly message or communicate with a Mastodon user... then they'd be both part of the "fediverse".

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                                  I am a Lemmy user, can I message a Pixelfed user? All other AP users? Signal users?

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                                    Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either

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                                    Friendica was one of the very first fediverse platforms, and is over a decade old at this point.

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                                      No, Matrix is federated differently.

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                                      And Signal isn’t?!

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                                        I am a Lemmy user, can I message a Pixelfed user? All other AP users? Signal users?

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                                        Signal, no. And yes, Lemmy's integration via AP is sub-perfect. Ie, I can (and do) follow communities on lemmy, with my Mastodon and pixelfed accounts.

                                        So, work is needed, and only happens if a) same protocol is used, or b) bridge modules are used (like friendica does).

                                        If someone made an xmpp bridge to talk AP, then it's would be one big network, like how a lot of irc nets get bridged with xmpp nets, which makes those one, singular, federated network. But until they start speaking the protocol the rest of the fediverse does, it's just another network.

                                        And again, it's not a bad thing. It'll even probably get there eventually.

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          instead of switching ive mostly just been ditching entirely. I need less time interacting with internet people.

                                          literally the only thing on this list im still using is facebook messenger, for my work colleagues. and youtube. everything else ive migrated (reddit-lemmy), or abandoned and torched

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                                          More recently I've felt like there's issues with being completely disconnected from any sort of critical mass. If I wanted to join a protest in my local city, I have doubts any of the fringe social networks could organize that. I can do my part to try to get more people on there.

                                          It's part of why I joined BlueSky over X. It's more popular, and issues be what they are, that counts for a lot.

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