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You Can’t Post Your Way Out of Fascism | Authoritarians and tech CEOs now share the same goal: to keep us locked in an eternal doomscroll instead of organizing against them

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  • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

    Organising to do what exactly? A majority of the US population wants this nightmare. The Trump administration is expected to destroy norms and institutions to bring about their bigot's utopia, they ran on that promise.

    It's really that dire. It's beyond the reach of the checks and balances that have kept things somewhat on-track up until just after 9/11. Checks and balances are precisely what the voters want to delete from the courts.

    If Trump wants a 3rd term, he will get it, and his voters will not be moved by marches or sit-ins or AOC exquisitely calling out the scum and villainy from the floor of the senate. Either talk Luigification, or let the people post their fucking memes in peace.

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    A third term implies the constitution is still in place and don't see them passing an amendment without doing something ridiculous like creating a bunch of extra states.

    Far easier to just never end the second term. Claim a national emergency and suspend elections/the constitution.

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    • M [email protected]

      I suspect the vast majority of people turning to social media as a pressure release valve feel disempowered, and honestly don't know what more they can reasonably do. How can a fly meaningfully change the orbit of a planet?

      This article is insightful, but practically useless. I think it would be better if it also presented specific actions and achievable goals that would lead to shutting down encroaching fascism.

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      It’s super helpful to identify the issue.

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      • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

        Organising to do what exactly? A majority of the US population wants this nightmare. The Trump administration is expected to destroy norms and institutions to bring about their bigot's utopia, they ran on that promise.

        It's really that dire. It's beyond the reach of the checks and balances that have kept things somewhat on-track up until just after 9/11. Checks and balances are precisely what the voters want to delete from the courts.

        If Trump wants a 3rd term, he will get it, and his voters will not be moved by marches or sit-ins or AOC exquisitely calling out the scum and villainy from the floor of the senate. Either talk Luigification, or let the people post their fucking memes in peace.

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        Barely 50%, and not even, and let’s hope a significant, even if it’s just small it’s significant, percentage didn’t want all the chaos and corruption, that they falsely believed he would be good, and when he isn’t will flip back to being more rational. Let’s hope, and let’s try to convince them.

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        • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          I agree.

          "Planet's burning up, another genocide, fascism on the rise... ugh... where are the funny memes."

          Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor.

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          It's probably boomers' fault for inventing PCs so GenX could create the Internet. They should have seen this coming!!!

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            Well at least the article validated some of my feelings and gave me a sense identification of the problems I have been sensing around me with the flaccid liberal rebellion.
            Hey wait a sec! Dammit!

            Most concrete action I can think of is some posts I remember seeing about coat-hanger do it yourself frontal lobotomies. I've seen plenty of very low IQ Americans with economic status as bad or worse than mine somehow perfectly happy with all the fascist shit that is going down. This seems like an opportunity to join in their bliss.

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            Get to know the people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Get a gun (or two) and learn how to use them.

            https://www.dsausa.org/

            https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/

            https://socialistra.org/

            Establish secure lines of communication and start preparing for what's coming. The next decade is going to be hard but we'll probably know how it's going to shake down by then.

            edit: formatting

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            • L [email protected]

              I can't upvote this strongly enough. Social media is doing everything in the establishment's favor - especially ingraining the habit of glancing at a news item and making an instant value judgement with minimal thought before scrolling along to the next item. It's not just the endless scrolling and venting vs taking real action, it's the encouragement of superficial thinking, which is solid gold for con men like Trump who depend on people jumping to stupid conclusions. People who get all their knowledge from memes are easier to fool than people who take time to think.

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              After working with computer software most of my life I've come to understand that if success relies on people 'paying attention to something, making an informed decision and then performing an action' that it is nearly impossible to get the desired outcome more than half the time.

              We're so fucked.

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                Maybe it's better to refrain from growing strong men, though, just average will do, with average children, not weak.

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                I'm not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though? Anyway, even if humanity itself were to not change, the world around us still does. Perhaps one day aliens will show up, assuming that climate change doesn't kill us all in the moderate term future. Just like all those species of animals and plants and such that we've driven extinct: they lasted so long, but then could not survive us.

                So I would argue that we always should remain strong... it's just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

                But, Stoicism, yeah - it's literally all that we can do, so let's do that.:-)

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                • toribor@corndog.socialT [email protected]

                  After working with computer software most of my life I've come to understand that if success relies on people 'paying attention to something, making an informed decision and then performing an action' that it is nearly impossible to get the desired outcome more than half the time.

                  We're so fucked.

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                  Agreed. After 30 years working in IT for various companies from 40 employees to 300,000 employees, I believe about 70-80% of the corporate work force has an elementary school level of reading comprehension at best.

                  In the last 10 years of my career I stopped writing emails with more than 1 question, because otherwise most people would reply and only answer the first thing I asked (often poorly), ignoring the entire rest of the email.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

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                    You are correct. These people won't be stopped with words or rational arguments. They are past the point of being able to cooperate. We will be killing each other before long. Sorry to say, but if you don't have the tools and skills to do that, you might want to learn. Or be prepared to be owned or killed by those that do. Adolph Musk and crew want to OWN you or DESTROY you depending on how you look. Start preparing for what that means.

                    I fucking hate that it's coming to this, but without a major change of direction (that I see no evidence of yet) that's where this ends up. The red menace was in our own country the whole time.

                    I am an infantry veteran and I will be fighting on the correct side of history until I can't anymore. I do wonder how many of my fellow comrades I might come into conflict with once this all kicks off.

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                      I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

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                      Not enough ammo...

                      They have the popular vote, most gun nuts are right wing. And they have the military, most of which voted trump. Are there even enough people who are left of center to fight against that?

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                        Plus, there are a lot of folks here (it seems like a majority sometimes in my personal experience) that are quick to advocate violence/sabotage in lieu of negotiation and debate. That reeks of puppeteering; there can’t be that many arseholes here, right?

                        That's because there are a lot of marginlized folks here - gay, trans, autistic, linux users - who have spent decades disucssing politely and negotiating.

                        Problem is the people throwing Nazi salutes and writing all these executive orders have, quite clearly, said they want us all either dead or in camps.

                        Now I wouldn't dream of speaking for everyone else, but I'm certainly not going to be attempting to politely debate myself out of a one-way train ride, if it comes to that.

                        So, yeah, while I don't encourage violence for the sake of violence, the neoliberal 'oh dear we must all be very polite at all times and let rationality solve all our issues!' is dead and worthless.

                        I've taken classes for and armed myself, and I have zero qualms with defending myself and friends and family by any means necessary if it comes down to a situation where it's us-or-them, regardless of who 'them' is.

                        If you told me even five years ago that I'd be carrying a gun and be fully prepared to use deadly force to defend myself I'd have called you goofy, and if you told me that I'd be willing to use it against agents of the state if they came after me, I'd think you have lost your damn mind.

                        But, well, it's been a long 5 years, and frankly, IMO, the rule of law and the trust in any governmental institutions have been eroded into nothing.

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                        That's because there are a lot of marginlized folks here - gay, trans, autistic, linux users

                        I feel seen

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                        • S [email protected]

                          I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

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                          Except you won't, because you are already coping on Lemmy

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                          • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                            You're talking about it.

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                            I'm talking about a guy who made no impact on a single company much less an industry and then went to prison, throwing away all of his rich boy ivy league education.

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                              constitutional rights

                              Hate to say it, but there's the very real possibility those days are numbered.

                              As it sits, those of us that are savvy need to be actively using and promoting privacy-centric communications methodology to ensure we have a means to communicate safely and effectively as time goes on and those tights are further eroded. I don't see the internet completely dying, given the technical nature of it, but peering and connectivity will likely be hampered in the coming months and years, so it is in our best interest to find and employ feasible solutions now to attempt getting out ahead of anything those muppets come up with.

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                              You are missing the point.

                              Those days might be numbered, but these places are the last bastion.

                              They will invade private homes, businesses and offices with impunity first.

                              Churches in particular have a long history of being relatively safe in (civil) war.

                              Not immune, just relatively.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                I'm talking about a guy who made no impact on a single company much less an industry and then went to prison, throwing away all of his rich boy ivy league education.

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                                I'm talking about a guy

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                                  I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

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                                  Violence is bad. And it won't help anyway, unless it only makes things worse and society even more divided, leading the country into cycles of endless dictatorship.

                                  The only way to get rid of illegitimate leaders is for at least 50%+ of the entire country to get together and protest all the way to Washington.

                                  There is another way - if it's in your power, don't obey the regime in any way.

                                  That's the whole point of dictators - they come in when some economic crisis starts and/or the people are fragmented.

                                  By the way, dictators thanks to the fact that people are divided, and continue to rule. And also political apathy and social conservatism are only to the advantage of dictators, so they should have been regarded as evil from the beginning

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                                  • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                    I agree.

                                    "Planet's burning up, another genocide, fascism on the rise... ugh... where are the funny memes."

                                    Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor.

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                                    And boredom is a crime.

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                                      Agreed. After 30 years working in IT for various companies from 40 employees to 300,000 employees, I believe about 70-80% of the corporate work force has an elementary school level of reading comprehension at best.

                                      In the last 10 years of my career I stopped writing emails with more than 1 question, because otherwise most people would reply and only answer the first thing I asked (often poorly), ignoring the entire rest of the email.

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                                      I mean 54% read at or below a 6th grade level, so that makes sense. Almost a fifth to a half of adult Americans are functionally illiterate depending on how you define it.

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                                      • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                        I'm talking about a guy

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                                        Since you're refusing to back up your stance I take that to mean you've resigned from the argument and that you agree with me.

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          Since you're refusing to back up your stance I take that to mean you've resigned from the argument and that you agree with me.

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                                          Back up my stance of "you're talking about it" when you begin your comment "I'm talking about it"?

                                          I really don't see a reason to "back that up" any further. You did all for me.

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