Can we please, PLEASE for gods sake just all agree that arch is not and will never be a good beginner distro no matter how many times you fork it?
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It's the best beginner distro for those beginners who want to learn about linux.
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That's why you shouldn't Frankenstein it
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EndeavourOS is the best
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Debian is the best distro for newbies, it may require setup and reading some documentation but afterwards you get a stable distro.
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My other thought was "obnoxious American tourists," but the bacon thing sealed it.
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This is the worst excuse in the history of excuses... Quite literally pathetic.
Then you're just an ablist who thinks everybody is the same. Go be a motivator or something.
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Not every kid will be able to do this. Most kids are so used to phone apps just installing and working they haven't built tech curiosity skills. And from the teachers in my family, the current 9 years olds struggle with reading and thinking skills
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Those guys should just role with a Tumbleweed
No scary terminal required
Just do not get scared by YaST
And don’t forget Packman repo
And always use either flatpak or search here to find “single click” file that needs to be double clicked (lol) to install it using YaST
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The level of disillusion in the thread is insane. At no point in time is it a good idea to recommend Arch and it's derivatives to Linux newbies. They will 100% wreck their install in the first two weeks. Even I, as a pretty experienced user had to wipe my arch install after failed update attempts, luckily I had a separate home partition. Anything else like fedora or tumbleweed will provide packages that are very up to date, but that are also tested. For example I don't fear that updating my fedora install will completely brick the networking of my system like what happened to me on arch.
Ironically I wouldn't recommend any Ubuntu derivatives as for some reason, every single time I've installed Ubuntu or one of its variants like PopOS they ended up messed up in some way or another, albeit never as critical as Arch did to me numerous times. Probably some kind of PPA issues that make the system weird because it's always the fault of PPAs
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MX is better than Mint.
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Newbies can not handle apt and just random deb they find in the internet and wonder why linux is so tedious to update
Most noobs I know did not understand what repo management means and are just copy pasting terminal cammands like a madlad or running random bash script with sudo because the developer thought it was the easiest way to get noobs to add their repo
I prefer giving noobs a single place of truth, if no flatpak available, like:
https://software.opensuse.org/packages
Or
AUR
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that, or having good documentation could be a requirement
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And then wonder why everybody having a good time with their nvidia on smooth wayland vs you on your
ancient, ok now only old Kernel since the last ubuntu upgrade, and outdated nvidia drivers.Oh wait, with mint, you are forced to use clunky Xorg aren’t you
I am sure that gives any noob the vibes of using a modern OS like windows/macOS /s
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Uff, great, so I still have 3 to 4 years to teach it to my son
Thanks for that age recommendation 🫡
Was feared he’s already behind
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AMEN!
Fucking hell this is what I've been trying to hammer into people for a long time
If I hit my Alex Jones InfoVape
hard enough I can probably weave a conspiracy theory on how Micro$oft started the "arch btw" meme in order to hurt Linux in the eyes of new users -
Everyday I see people saying they are having issue with Linux and its always because they went straight to arch and used archinstall. They have no idea how any of their system works and when they run into an issue thry do a full system reinstall.
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just because a given person could make it work, doesnt mean they want to. i personally can fix a lot of these issues, but i dont wanna have to bother. i just want to accomplish the inane bullshit and shitposting i turned my computer on for.
i just think an arch recommendation should always come with that disclaimer.
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Hey, you forget about Gentoo Linux!
The real distro for newbies... (Provided the newbies are expert cs graduated and crazy nerds...)
All depends on what a beginner is... Not all beginners are tech illiterates or people who only want to use office.
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That's arguable, but I get where you're coming from.
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i wouldn't wish apt on my enemies. terrible habits with all the ppas and piping curl to bash in every forum post
