Let Canada join in too.
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Do you realise that has things stand, even Canada's electricity grid prevents from joining the single market and therefore the EU? Either they would need to get the mother of all opt outs, convert all their appliances and grid to 240v, or all appliances would need to be dual voltage (hiking up the costs for everyone).
And then every single product regulation is currently aligned with the US. Even countries that were closer to EU regulations took a decade to fix that, so Canada will probably take at least that.
In the short term it makes more sense to focus on sector by sector free trade and free movement agreements.
I hate "Noo, it's gonna take us soo long, so we shouldn't do it!" Yes, it's gonna take time so maybe just start? The best time to begin a long process was yesterday, the second best is now. Nobody says "things have to be perfect tomorrow" but not starting overall is not gonna change anything.
Instead of asking "how long is it going to take?", we should rather just ask "is it a desirable outcome?" and if yes, just start.
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I hate "Noo, it's gonna take us soo long, so we shouldn't do it!" Yes, it's gonna take time so maybe just start? The best time to begin a long process was yesterday, the second best is now. Nobody says "things have to be perfect tomorrow" but not starting overall is not gonna change anything.
Instead of asking "how long is it going to take?", we should rather just ask "is it a desirable outcome?" and if yes, just start.
Which is why I said focus on the baby steps that are actually doable now.
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Do you realise that has things stand, even Canada's electricity grid prevents from joining the single market and therefore the EU? Either they would need to get the mother of all opt outs, convert all their appliances and grid to 240v, or all appliances would need to be dual voltage (hiking up the costs for everyone).
And then every single product regulation is currently aligned with the US. Even countries that were closer to EU regulations took a decade to fix that, so Canada will probably take at least that.
In the short term it makes more sense to focus on sector by sector free trade and free movement agreements.
That's the way the EU itself was formed as well. It started as "European Economic Community" or "European Common Market". It was then transformed to "European Community" and finally to "European Union". Those Agreements go stepwise this is what could happen here
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Yeah, the UK would be bargaining from a weak position. As a founding member of the EU it was bargaining from a strong one and could get concessions.
But, maybe if they say "hey, let us in and give us some exceptions and we'll let you talk to our good buddy Canada"...
UK was not a founding member.
https://enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/6-27-members_en
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Let Canada join in too.
With the threats from the US, Canada could use some closer ties to Europe too. There are already historic ties to the UK that have weakened over the last few decades.
IMO there's some bad blood between the UK and the EU. The EU probably wouldn't want to just take the UK back after Brexit. And, from the point of view of the UK, the Brexit voters are still out there, and if the EU makes re-entry too humiliating, they'd raise a stink.
But, if you include Canada it's no longer just the UK rejoining the EU. It can be a new thing, the Canada-UK-EU pact: CUE. Conservatives who were pro-Brexit might be mollified because they tend to be more likely to be monarchists, and this can be seen as strengthening ties between two countries where Charles is the head of state. It also gives Canada and the UK a bit more bargaining power together than if they both tried to strengthen ties to the EU separately.
My guess is that if this allowed for freer movement of people and media, Quebec would be happy to have closer ties to France, Belgium, Switzerland and the other places in Europe where French is spoken.
We all should be working together to protect ourselves from Trump. And, even if the US survives Trump and elects someone sane as president in 4 years, recent history has shown that the US just isn't a reliable partner anymore. It's just too volatile and chaotic. Given the proximity, Canada will inevitably have strong ties to the US, but there needs to be some "plan B".
If you agree to a Free Trade Agreement without these stupid undemocratic arbitration courts, it could work out
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Yeah, Canada couldn't join the EU as a normal member state. It's not just electricity, everything's different. Different rules for highways and cars, different food safety rules, different worker safety regulations.
But, what if they started with freer movement of people. What if they made it easier for doctors and nurses to have that degree recognized in the other jurisdiction. And just make it easier for Canadians to work in Europe and Europeans to work in Canada without the current visa approval process.
Changing up the entire electrical system might be the project of a lifetime. OTOH, the EU made that recent ruling that every charger / chargeable had to be USB-C. Even though the electrical systems are different, USB-C is the same for everyone (well, ignoring that's a mess of a spec with thousands of weird variations). So, the various parties could work together on future specs involving USB-C and whatever comes after that.
Great ideas!
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I'm guessing... Malta?
Yeah, Canada's day-to-day culture is very American. The same TV shows are popular, the same sports, same celebrities, etc. But, the legal and political setup is still very British. And, it's times like this that we really appreciate how different that part still is from the US.
I think they mean Ireland
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I think they mean Ireland
Not part of the Commonwealth since 1949.
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Not part of the Commonwealth since 1949.
Oh right...
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UK was not a founding member.
https://enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/6-27-members_en
They were a founding member in the way Musk "founds" companies: joining later and getting a lot of influence due to wealth
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Yeah, the UK would be bargaining from a weak position. As a founding member of the EU it was bargaining from a strong one and could get concessions.
But, maybe if they say "hey, let us in and give us some exceptions and we'll let you talk to our good buddy Canada"...
As a founding member of the EU.
They were not a founding member though. They joined in 1973-1975 and have negotiated many exceptions to the EEC, causing other memberstates sometimes a bit of headaches.
"Brenter " would be a good idea, but like it's been said, there are ( British) political and systematic (compliance) hurdles. But they can be overcome.
Imo, Britain needs to clean the house first, from the lying (Ukip )traitors, who sold your country out.
Also, during crises, lots can happen, quickly. Necessity is a huge drive force, especially in Politics, maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised. -
Let Canada join in too.
With the threats from the US, Canada could use some closer ties to Europe too. There are already historic ties to the UK that have weakened over the last few decades.
IMO there's some bad blood between the UK and the EU. The EU probably wouldn't want to just take the UK back after Brexit. And, from the point of view of the UK, the Brexit voters are still out there, and if the EU makes re-entry too humiliating, they'd raise a stink.
But, if you include Canada it's no longer just the UK rejoining the EU. It can be a new thing, the Canada-UK-EU pact: CUE. Conservatives who were pro-Brexit might be mollified because they tend to be more likely to be monarchists, and this can be seen as strengthening ties between two countries where Charles is the head of state. It also gives Canada and the UK a bit more bargaining power together than if they both tried to strengthen ties to the EU separately.
My guess is that if this allowed for freer movement of people and media, Quebec would be happy to have closer ties to France, Belgium, Switzerland and the other places in Europe where French is spoken.
We all should be working together to protect ourselves from Trump. And, even if the US survives Trump and elects someone sane as president in 4 years, recent history has shown that the US just isn't a reliable partner anymore. It's just too volatile and chaotic. Given the proximity, Canada will inevitably have strong ties to the US, but there needs to be some "plan B".
IMO there’s some bad blood between the UK and the EU.
Not so much that it matters. The financial industry wants them back in the fold. It would be a win-win for UK and EU. But there is one or two maybe major cons for the UK: They won't get the UK rebate back and they won't get any other exceptions. That means they'll have to switch to the Euro.
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As a dual Belgian-French citizen living in an English-speaking EU country that was once a possession of the Crown (and is still part of the Commonwealth), I can't help but agree.
The ties between the UK and its (former or not) empire are still strong and somehow tying it to the EU would benefit both parties.
It would be interesting to do a poll in the UK now about rejoining, even the Brexiters may have changed their minds, they were sold freedom and got mostly misery.Well done! Yup Malta
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I'm guessing... Malta?
Yeah, Canada's day-to-day culture is very American. The same TV shows are popular, the same sports, same celebrities, etc. But, the legal and political setup is still very British. And, it's times like this that we really appreciate how different that part still is from the US.
Canada’s day-to-day culture is very American.
I wouldn't say that. Yes, we consume American media but Canadians are more socially aware of their surroundings. Americans are very selfish. Crabs in a bucket mentality. Canadians, in general, consider the social body as a whole.
I've lived in both the US and Canada for extended amounts of time. Canadians are just better people.
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Canada’s day-to-day culture is very American.
I wouldn't say that. Yes, we consume American media but Canadians are more socially aware of their surroundings. Americans are very selfish. Crabs in a bucket mentality. Canadians, in general, consider the social body as a whole.
I've lived in both the US and Canada for extended amounts of time. Canadians are just better people.
I've lived in the US and Canada for extended amounts of time, but I've also lived in Europe and Australia. From the point of view of someone living outside North America, there's very little difference between Americans and Canadians culturally.
It all depends on your perspective. If you've never left LA you might say there are massive cultural differences between people in Lakewood and Lawndale. And, I'm sure there are some differences. But, an outsider might have a different opinion.
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