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Scientists move to Bluesky, transitioning away from X and Meta platforms

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  • E [email protected]

    Or know how. Just because that scientists doesn't mean that they are necessarily particularly computer literate. I won't have to explain to a university professor that wireless electricity doesn't exist and the Wi-Fi is only for internet. So yeah.

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    I mean, wireless electricity tech does exist, it just sucks and is horribly inefficient at any reasonable distance.

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      I feel like scientists should move towards open source solutions ... I feel like most scientists are smart enough to launch a mastodon server, but well.

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      Bluesky is open source though

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      • K [email protected]

        Why switch to Mastodon when there is Misskey?

        Why use Misskey when there is Hubzilla?

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        I’ve yet to find a multi language or English speaking misskey it appears they’re all Japanese

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          Do you refer to the "Following" Vs "Discover" feed?

          Apparently it's very noticeable when a post hits the discover feed. The quality of responses dives off a cliff.

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          There's a new option available now for reply controls, you can limit it to just people who follow you. While it's a very low bar, it's enough of a threshold for most randoms to not bother following just to reply to you

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          • G [email protected]

            while I agree, the reality of the situation is that when you get down to comparing feature to feature, open source solutions tend to be technically inferior to proprietary ones.

            I use linux because I hate microsoft, not because it's more feature complete than windows (it isn't).

            I use lemmy because I hate u/spez, not because it's more feature complete than reddit (it isn't).

            I use blender because it's free and it's actually kinda great, if all free and open source software was like blender, then it would be a no-brainer to use FOSS all of the time, and it would be easy to convince the normies to do the same.


            also also

            I'm using linux mint, i have minor complaints about it, but nothing worse than what microsoft is currently doing with windows. It's just different, and that bothers me. middle click paste is the bane of my existence, but other people swear by it. Just before I switched over, I learned about windows 10's built in emoji keyboard, and I really liked that. A year later (literally last week) I discovered a program that does most of what the windows emoji thingy did, and I can manually edit a keybind for the function to accomplish amost the same thing. FOSS, yay, it's free if you don't value your time in currency amounts. FOSS could be so good if only it were good.

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            I use linux because I hate microsoft, not because it’s more feature complete than windows (it isn’t).

            lol... "Feature complete" if you want terrible features.

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            • R [email protected]

              I feel like scientists should move towards open source solutions ... I feel like most scientists are smart enough to launch a mastodon server, but well.

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              #135

              Most people who work as "scientists" aren't actually scientists.

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              • H [email protected]

                Why are they selecting BlueSky over the Fediverse?

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                B/c people are indoctrinated under capitalism to need some kinda daddy.

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                • F [email protected]

                  The Fediverse experience starts with an unanswerable question: what server do you want to be on?

                  Most people will not have any way to answer that without knowing what the downstream impact will be. Mastodon people are working on smoothing that down, but it's still a pretty fraught question. And if half a given community ends up on one server and half on another, they get fragmented and conversations and followers fizzle out.

                  Bluesky wants to tell people they're not a single-node lock-in to avoid the Twitter effect, but it turns out that's their key advantage.

                  The only thing that will guarantee they don't end up like Twitter is if they revamp their corporate governance mechanisms, but they had to take VC money and haven't come up with a long-term revenue model, so it's not clear how they can avoid it.

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                  an unanswerable question: what server do you want to be on?

                  This question is extremely easy to answer. We all did it. I don't think people on Lemmy are some kind of master race. smh.

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                    No that decision is, for most people, made for them. You use the server provided for you by your ISP/work/university or the one that's associated with logging into your smartphone.

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                    Most people use several email servers for work, school, personal, etc.

                    Somehow those dolts figured it out. Shocking. \s

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                    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgX [email protected]

                      For e-mail, it does not really make a difference.

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                      Good luck with you hotmail account... Or using Outlook... etc.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        Problem is it absolutely will turn when the Bluesky owners Jay Graber and Jack Dorsey decide it's time to cash in. The project started out as a way to start decentralizing twitter, but they never actually accomplished that goal.

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                        Jack Dorsey never had ownership (just directed an investment) and left the board (didn't agree with moderation, lol)

                        Jay also isn't majority owner.

                        It's a public benefit corporation too so they don't have a profit requirement.

                        The harder parts with decentralizing content-addressed systems like it is scaling open spaces (like how a microblog is technically one big shared space). You need big caches and big indexes. They're working actively on making it easier for others to run those app servers. There's already a few independent projects building them. Federating account hosting and feed generation and moderation services are all live already

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                        • F [email protected]

                          Your email server doesn't also run the group email list and all the join/drop/approve/ban operations. And if you bring your own email domain name, you can go somewhere else and get no disruption. But if you sign up for [email protected] and hotmail bans you, you'll lose all your connections and conversation history.

                          The canonical list of operations on a social media platform far exceed that of an email service, a bulletin board, or a messaging service group. It's apples and rocket ships.

                          Bluesky is offering simple one-stop answers to a lot of these concerns. Fediverse needs to answer all these, plus address the whole long-term financial sustainability question.

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                          The canonical list of operations on a social media platform far exceed that of an email service, a bulletin board,

                          This is just untrue. There's almost nothing to Twitter, IG, etc., while many bulletinboards are far more complicated.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            Aside from being its founder. I know he left the board, but I haven't seen any reason to believe he gave up ownership rights.

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                            He never had ownership. The investment was in the form of a contract to build the protocol, not buying shares.

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                            • K [email protected]

                              Leaving the board of directors means no day to day control, but he could still exert influence on a shareholders vote.

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                              He's not a shareholder, and also it's a public benefit corporation so shareholders have less power over the board

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                              • A [email protected]

                                i have accepted that most of the internet will be a vicious cycle of enshittification. go to cool new site, site gets too popular for its own good, monetization kicks in, site now sucks, rinse and repeat.

                                FOSS stuff like lemmy and mastodon just will never get past the first step, which is fine. they will just occupy a separate niche.

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                                FOSS is the final destination after people get sick of capitalism ruining every other app/site.

                                People usually don't go back to shitty products unless they have no choice. Linux users don't go back to Windows. I'll never use an Adobe product again. Etc.

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                                • M [email protected]

                                  From what I understand, Bsky didn't actually provide much (if any) OSS code to create the federated apps, just the protocol. So there would need to be tons of work done to create it. Some people were (rightly) pointing out that time might be better spent improving existing solutions like Mastodon, rather than freely providing more value to a for-profit company.

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                                  Almost everything is available. You can run your own account host, feed generators, moderation services, app servers (appview, relay) and most code is open. The only thing not open is a bunch of custom scaling optimizations (like database configurations) and configuration for the official recommendation algorithm & spam filtering mod tools, and stuff like that. All the rest is available, and the things that's missing aren't necessary unless you want to match their user count (but then you can probably build it yourself)

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    Just because they know using Mastodon they are bad people? What the hell kind of take is that?

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                                    It's a take that apparently requires a lack of reading comprehension on your part.

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      I feel like scientists should move towards open source solutions ... I feel like most scientists are smart enough to launch a mastodon server, but well.

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                                      Being a scientist doesn't mean you have the technical knowledge to run a public facing server.

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                                        Most people who work as "scientists" aren't actually scientists.

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                                        Define "Scientist".

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                                          Would he better if it was Mastodon, but I suppose I shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good, and good riddance to Twitter, indeed.

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