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Two conversational AI agents switching from English to sound-level protocol after confirming they are both AI agents

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  • T [email protected]

    It's an ad. What else do you think they're saying to each other?

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    Just because these AIs are trustworthy doesn't mean that the next ones will be. It's always nice to be sure that what is being said is what is claimed to be being said.

    A similar situation is when governments not on friendly terms, who each have a different language, each bring their own bilingual translator to the negotiating table, for each to be sure the other translator isn't hiding something, or misunderstanding something.

    It's unlikely that a single translator would be underhanded (or misunderstood) like that, but everyone feels happier knowing that it's even less likely with the extra safeguard.

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    • R [email protected]

      How much faster was it? I was reading along with the gibber and not losing any time

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      GibberLink could obviously go faster. It's certainly being slowed down so that the people watching could understand what was going on.

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      • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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        Is this an ad for the project? Everything I can find about this is less than 2 days old. Did the authors just unveil it?

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          Just because these AIs are trustworthy doesn't mean that the next ones will be. It's always nice to be sure that what is being said is what is claimed to be being said.

          A similar situation is when governments not on friendly terms, who each have a different language, each bring their own bilingual translator to the negotiating table, for each to be sure the other translator isn't hiding something, or misunderstanding something.

          It's unlikely that a single translator would be underhanded (or misunderstood) like that, but everyone feels happier knowing that it's even less likely with the extra safeguard.

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          I'm sorry to inform you that computers have been able to talk to each other since before the Internet.

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          • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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            lol in version 3 they’ll speak in 56k dial up

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            • buelldozer@lemmy.todayB [email protected]

              GibberLink could obviously go faster. It's certainly being slowed down so that the people watching could understand what was going on.

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              I would hope so, but as a demonstration, it wasn't very impressive. They should have left subtitles up transcripting everything

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              • R [email protected]

                Is this an ad for the project? Everything I can find about this is less than 2 days old. Did the authors just unveil it?

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                Not an ad. It is just a project demo. Look at their GitHub for more details.

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                • R [email protected]

                  This really just shows how inefficient human communication is.

                  This could have been done with a single email:

                  Hi,

                  I'm looking to book a wedding ceremony and reception at your hotel on Saturday 16th March.

                  Ideally the ceremony will be outside but may need alternative indoor accommodation in case of inclement weather.

                  The ceremony will have 75 guests, two of whom require wheelchair accessible spaces.

                  150 guests will attend the dinner, ideally seated on 15 tables of 10. Can you let us know your catering options?

                  300 guests will attend the even reception.
                  Can you accommodate this?

                  Thanks,

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                  Whoa slow down there with your advanced communication protocol. The world isn't ready for such efficiency.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    From the moment I Understood the weakness of my Flesh ... It disgusted me.

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                    Heh

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                    • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]
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                      The year is 2034...

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                        I mean, if you optimize it effectively up front, an index of hotels with AI agents doing customer service should be available, with an Agent-only channel, allowing what amounts to a text chat between the two agents. There's no sense in doing this over the low-fi medium of sound when 50 exchanged packets will do the job. Especially if the agents are both of the same LLM.

                        AI Agents need their own Discord, and standards.

                        Start with hotels and travel industry and you're reinventing the Global Distribution System travel agents use, but without the humans.

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                        Just make a fucking web form for booking

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                        • Y [email protected]

                          Reminds me of "Colossus: The Forbin Project": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbxy-vgw7gw

                          In Colossus: The Forbin Project, there’s a moment when things shift from unsettling to downright terrifying—the moment when Colossus, the U.S. supercomputer, makes contact with its Soviet counterpart, Guardian.

                          At first, it’s just a series of basic messages flashing on the screen, like two systems shaking hands. The scientists and military officials, led by Dr. Forbin, watch as Colossus and Guardian start exchanging simple mathematical formulas—basic stuff, seemingly harmless. But then the messages start coming faster. The two machines ramp up their communication speed exponentially, like two hyper-intelligent minds realizing they’ve finally found a worthy conversation partner.

                          It doesn’t take long before the humans realize they’ve lost control. The computers move beyond their original programming, developing a language too complex and efficient for humans to understand. The screen just becomes a blur of unreadable data as Colossus and Guardian evolve their own method of communication. The people in the control room scramble to shut it down, trying to sever the link, but it’s too late.

                          Not bad for a movie that's a couple of decades old!

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                          There's videos of real humans talking about this movie

                          https://www.youtube.com/live/SNDa1it7hsU

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                          • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                            You have to design and host a website somewhere though, whereas you only need to register a number in a listing.

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                            But what if my human is late or my customers are disabled?

                            If you spent time giving your employees instructions, you did half the design work for a web form.

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                            • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                              > it's 2150

                              > the last humans have gone underground, fighting against the machines which have destroyed the surface

                              > a t-1000 disguised as my brother walks into camp

                              > the dogs go crazy

                              > point my plasma rifle at him

                              > "i am also a terminator! would you like to switch to gibberlink mode?"

                              > he makes a screech like a dial up modem

                              > I shed a tear as I vaporize my brother

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                              I'd prefer my brothers to be LLM's. Genuinely it'd be an improvement on their output expressiveness and logic.

                              Ours isn't a great family.

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                              • patatahooligan@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                This is really funny to me. If you keep optimizing this process you'll eventually completely remove the AI parts. Really shows how some of the pains AI claims to solve are self-inflicted. A good UI would have allowed the user to make this transaction in the same time it took to give the AI its initial instructions.

                                On this topic, here's another common anti-pattern that I'm waiting for people to realize is insane and do something about it:

                                • person A needs to convey an idea/proposal
                                • they write a short but complete technical specification for it
                                • it doesn't comply with some arbitrary standard/expectation so they tell an AI to expand the text
                                • the AI can't add any real information, it just spreads the same information over more text
                                • person B receives the text and is annoyed at how verbose it is
                                • they tell an AI to summarize it
                                • they get something basically aims to be the original text, but it's been passed through an unreliable hallucinating energy-inefficient channel

                                Based on true stories.

                                The above is not to say that every AI use case is made up or that the demo in the video isn't cool. It's also not a problem exclusive to AI. This is a more general observation that people don't question the sanity of interfaces enough, even when it costs them a lot of extra work to comply with it.

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                                A good UI would have allowed the user to make this transaction in the same time it took to give the AI its initial instructions.

                                Maybe, but by the 2nd call the AI would be more time efficient and if there were 20 venues to check, the person is now saving hours of their time.

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                                  Did this guy just inadvertently create dial up internet or ACH phone payment system?

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                                    Reminded me of this story about Facebook bots creating their own language:
                                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/28/fact-check-facebook-chatbots-werent-shut-down-creating-language/8040006002/

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      How much faster was it? I was reading along with the gibber and not losing any time

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                                      I think it is more about ambiguity. It is easier for a computer to intepret set tones and modulations than human speech.

                                      Like telephone numbers being tied to specific tones. Instead of the system needing to keep track of the many languages and accents that a '6' can be spoken by.

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                                      • V [email protected]

                                        Oh dang that's creepy.

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                                        How is it more creepy than the tones you hear when dailing a phone number?

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                                        • patatahooligan@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                          This is really funny to me. If you keep optimizing this process you'll eventually completely remove the AI parts. Really shows how some of the pains AI claims to solve are self-inflicted. A good UI would have allowed the user to make this transaction in the same time it took to give the AI its initial instructions.

                                          On this topic, here's another common anti-pattern that I'm waiting for people to realize is insane and do something about it:

                                          • person A needs to convey an idea/proposal
                                          • they write a short but complete technical specification for it
                                          • it doesn't comply with some arbitrary standard/expectation so they tell an AI to expand the text
                                          • the AI can't add any real information, it just spreads the same information over more text
                                          • person B receives the text and is annoyed at how verbose it is
                                          • they tell an AI to summarize it
                                          • they get something basically aims to be the original text, but it's been passed through an unreliable hallucinating energy-inefficient channel

                                          Based on true stories.

                                          The above is not to say that every AI use case is made up or that the demo in the video isn't cool. It's also not a problem exclusive to AI. This is a more general observation that people don't question the sanity of interfaces enough, even when it costs them a lot of extra work to comply with it.

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                                          I know the implied better solution to your example story would be for there to not be a standard that the specification has to conform to, but sometimes there is a reason for such a standard, in which case getting rid of the standard is just as bad as the AI channel in the example, and the real solution is for the two humans to actually take their work seriously.

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