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FCC chair says we’re too dependent on GPS and wants to explore ‘alternatives’.

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    Lmao what a fucking dipshit

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    Sounds like this guy couldn't find his own ass with two hands, a compass and a GPS receiver.

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      Remember that time he claimed Teslas windows were shatterproof and indestructable. Then he throws a baseball and the window instantly shatters?

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      Was a ball bearing. Same guy threw a baseball a couple years ago and it didn't break.

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      • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

        Triangulation could be more efficient than GPS, in terms of energy use and such

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        GPS literally triangulates your position using 3 satellites. It's how it works.

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          Sounds like this guy couldn't find his own ass with two hands, a compass and a GPS receiver.

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          He sounds like the type of person who would drive into a lake if the GPS told him to

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            Lemme guess, Starlink will magically be suggested.

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            Or GLONASS

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              Or GLONASS

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              For those who are unfamiliar with it:

              GLONASS (ГЛОНАСС, IPA: [ɡɫɐˈnas]; Russian: Глобальная навигационная спутниковая система, romanized: Global'naya Navigatsionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, lit. 'Global Navigation Satellite System') is a Russian satellite navigation system operating as part of a radionavigation-satellite service.

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                We're too dependent on a technology that we spent tens of billions of dollars researching and perfecting over decades of research!

                Possibly the dumbest statement I've heard this week.

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                It's not as dumb as you make it out. The issue isn't that GPS is really, really good at what it does; it's that it's also incredibly vulnerable to disruption and spoofing. And due to the particulars of how GPS works, we can't entirely fix that. We can do some things to ameliorate it, but a lot of those aren't suitable for smaller things that use GPS today.

                The other thing is that GPS largely replaced a tremendous number of other navigation aides and techniques, including other radio-navigation systems like LORAN-C.

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                • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ [email protected]

                  Or GLONASS

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                  Pretty much every GPS-capable device made in the last decade uses all systems available: GPS (USA), GLONASS (Russia), and Galileo (EU).

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                  • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

                    Triangulation could be more efficient than GPS, in terms of energy use and such

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                    Phones already do that with cell towers. It's called A-GPS (augmented GPS). Cell towers are used in addition to GPS signals.

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                      In walks GLONASS I presume

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                      Every GPS-capable device made in the last decade utilizes GPS, GLONASS, and Galileo.

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                        Wonder if they want to track all phones with a different system.

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                          We're too dependent on a technology that we spent tens of billions of dollars researching and perfecting over decades of research!

                          Possibly the dumbest statement I've heard this week.

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                          Nah the idea is sound. As someone else said, GPS is incredibly fragile. Also very terrestrial...it doesn't work once you leave the atmosphere.

                          This will probably be another SpaceX grift, but there are alternative technologies that are more resilient to attack. From military/defense perspective (the original reason for GPS), that's pretty important.

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                            Lemme guess, Starlink will magically be suggested.

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                            Yeah. It's grift. They want a privatized solution.

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                              Nah the idea is sound. As someone else said, GPS is incredibly fragile. Also very terrestrial...it doesn't work once you leave the atmosphere.

                              This will probably be another SpaceX grift, but there are alternative technologies that are more resilient to attack. From military/defense perspective (the original reason for GPS), that's pretty important.

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                              GPS is incredibly fragile.

                              No, not really. The GPS signal isn't designed to penetrate concrete, no. But that doesn't make it fragile.

                              Also very terrestrial…it doesn’t work once you leave the atmosphere.

                              Considering it was never meant to...that's really not that goddamn weird. It's a global positioning satellite system. So clearly for it to work you have to be on the fuckin' globe...

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                                Triangulation of what, exactly? GPS already triangulates your position based on what it receives from multiple satellites, yeah?

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                                Cell towers, in an urban area you're typically within range of a couple.

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                                  Too often, the vertical location (Z-axis) information that 911 call centers receive is not easily usable

                                  So...use the barometer in tandem with GPS? This is shit I can easily track from my personal Homassistant server.

                                  Also, you know how to make GPS more reliable, secure, and redundant? You launch more GPS satellites.

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                                    Was a ball bearing. Same guy threw a baseball a couple years ago and it didn't break.

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                                    And was the second time that window had the ball bearing thrown at it. They'd tested it backstage but didn't replace that window for the on stage demo, so it was already weakened.

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                                      GPS is incredibly fragile.

                                      No, not really. The GPS signal isn't designed to penetrate concrete, no. But that doesn't make it fragile.

                                      Also very terrestrial…it doesn’t work once you leave the atmosphere.

                                      Considering it was never meant to...that's really not that goddamn weird. It's a global positioning satellite system. So clearly for it to work you have to be on the fuckin' globe...

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                                      Having functional GPS in a tunnel would be very nice...as someone who drives through Boston and fucking hates tunnels.

                                      But that's not what I meant by fragile. I meant it can be disrupted/jammed fairly trivially.

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                                        GPS depends on a friendly spectrum. I suspect the FCC is preparing for a war where GPS will be jammed, faked, or destroyed.

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                                          What if we built a system of beacon transmitters that sent out pulses and then used recievers that would compare arrival times of those pulses to make a measurement, thus establishing positional location?

                                          We could call it the Long Range something or other. Need a catchy name!

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