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What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?

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  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

    Its written in piefed, but I don't think the overhead is too much because the bottleneck is DB performance.
    It has support for lemmy's protocol, so the network effect really isn't an issue.

    blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote on last edited by
    #57

    Its written in piefed,

    Small lapsus ha ha

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    • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

      Yeah, that makes sense for the defect class of performance problems. I'm more concerned with the inherent performance (compute) disadvantages of Python. Perhaps they wouldn't matter, hard to know without load testing.

      I didn't downvote.

      snoopy@piefed.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #58

      Well, i thought the same about rust and python. i'm not a dev and lack understanding on their component.

      My opinion became more nuanced with Lemmy. I have read there spike in ressource usage with lemmy on server.

      So, I believe the language matter but also its features, the way you think how people will use it. Its core design.

      When you manage a social network, the most fondamental feature is the moderation board. I find this area is lacking on Lemmy. Crosspost ? Duplicate everywhere, on my timeline, i get 4-5 time the same post...so i believe it miss some design thinking.

      From what i see, the various lemmy-bot (most of them are written in python i think ?) and alternative frontend are improving lemmy experience. For example, how do you add an mod with lemmy-web-ui ?

      I also believe that being written in Rust make it harder for new devs to help. But in later time we will see a change.

      I'm not sure if it answer part of your question, but there are area where lemmy can improve :
      https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/09/comparing-network-utilization-of-lemmy-kbin-and-piefed/

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      • simple@lemm.eeS [email protected]

        My biggest issue with Piefed is how much space the UI uses. Last I checked it didn't have a "compact mode" like current Lemmy or Alexandrite. Browsing communities is also a bit awkward since it shows you so many topics without a way to sort or remove them.

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        #59

        Thank for your feedback. Maybe you can tell them ? I'm giving feedback to piefed dev on their UI, suggesting ideas is also part on PieFed development. 🙂

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        • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

          Two questions for you, I'm genuinely curious, I hope they don't come up as agressive

          • why are you still using your Lemm.ee account instead of Piefed
          • why create this post here instead of [email protected] ?
          irelephant@lemm.eeI This user is from outside of this forum
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          #60

          This comm is much bigger, and I happened to be on my .ee account at the time.

          e: And I've used this account for longer, so I don't want to abandon it.

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          • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]

            Does it really matter when you can access the same content from Piefed? It's one of fedi's great strengths that different experiences can be tailored on the same platform.

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            #61

            Yep! We should probably move some comms to piefed, so that .world doesn't control too much, but not to piefed specifically.

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            • rglullis@communick.newsR [email protected]

              Personally, because I think all server-centric AP software is broken and I want to see a client-first application to browse the social web.

              Piefed goes in the opposite direction, giving more power to the server admins and taking a good page of social engineering / "nudge theory" principles to apply in its design. Much like Mastodon, it seems to be strongly opinionated about how people should behave and it kinda gives me an icky feeling about its culture.

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              #62

              If only activitypub c2s didn't suck.

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              • rglullis@communick.newsR [email protected]

                360 currently

                Please, read things in context. I'm talking about moderators.

                Are all the 360 PieFed users also community moderators?

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                #63

                I can add a piefed account as a mod to a community I mod right now.

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                • sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS [email protected]

                  Is there even a second instance running piefed? I've only seen piefed.social

                  irelephant@lemm.eeI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #64

                  feddit.online, iirc. check join.piefed.social

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                  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                    Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                    Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                    App support is one thing I can think of.

                    farraigeplaisteach@lemmy.worldF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #65

                    I never knew what it was because I'm a bit desensitised to knew apps / app names.

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                    • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                      This comm is much bigger, and I happened to be on my .ee account at the time.

                      e: And I've used this account for longer, so I don't want to abandon it.

                      blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #66

                      And I’ve used this account for longer, so I don’t want to abandon it.

                      Probably the main reason why people won't move to Piefed either

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                      • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]

                        Does it really matter when you can access the same content from Piefed? It's one of fedi's great strengths that different experiences can be tailored on the same platform.

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                        #67

                        It doesn't matter, true. We can see every comments in a crossposted post. But on the other hand Blaze is also right. 🙂

                        I told him the same thing about its lemmy repport that i wished something less lemmy centric. 🙂

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                        • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                          Yep! We should probably move some comms to piefed, so that .world doesn't control too much, but not to piefed specifically.

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                          #68

                          not to piefed specifically.

                          Why not? I'm not saying to move everything, but a few communities to Piefed could be nice. A few to Mbin too to keep everyone happy.

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                          • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                            Yep! We should probably move some comms to piefed, so that .world doesn't control too much, but not to piefed specifically.

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                            #69

                            There's also three Fediverse comms (here, ml and zip) like do we really need another one?

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                            • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                              It doesn't matter, true. We can see every comments in a crossposted post. But on the other hand Blaze is also right. 🙂

                              I told him the same thing about its lemmy repport that i wished something less lemmy centric. 🙂

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                              #70

                              I told him the same thing about its lemmy repport that i wished something less lemmy centric. 🙂

                              With our current situation, it's just that most of the things are going to happen on Lemmy. New app update? it's a Lemmy app. New monthly active user milestone reached? Lemmy is probably the main reason.

                              Hopefully things will get more balanced over time, but we can't expect a perfect 1/3 split of posts between the three platforms.

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                              • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]

                                There's also three Fediverse comms (here, ml and zip) like do we really need another one?

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                                #71

                                here

                                4 days delay with aussie.zone https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40460535

                                ml

                                Power tripping admins https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

                                Zip

                                Single mod who didn't want to create a meta posts to ask for more mods.

                                I studied the situation before starting to post to [email protected]

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                                • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                                  here

                                  4 days delay with aussie.zone https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40460535

                                  ml

                                  Power tripping admins https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

                                  Zip

                                  Single mod who didn't want to create a meta posts to ask for more mods.

                                  I studied the situation before starting to post to [email protected]

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                                  #72

                                  Has world really not enabled parallel sending yet? That feature was made specifically for them.

                                  Single mod who didn’t want to create a meta posts to ask for more mods.

                                  But the sidebar does say to DM them if you're interested in modding. Not wanting a meta post is weird though.

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                                  • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                                    I told him the same thing about its lemmy repport that i wished something less lemmy centric. 🙂

                                    With our current situation, it's just that most of the things are going to happen on Lemmy. New app update? it's a Lemmy app. New monthly active user milestone reached? Lemmy is probably the main reason.

                                    Hopefully things will get more balanced over time, but we can't expect a perfect 1/3 split of posts between the three platforms.

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                                    #73

                                    Yep but considering your activities, you can tell them more about PieFed and Mbin. It will help reach a more balanced software's use. 🙂

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                                    • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                                      Yep but considering your activities, you can tell them more about PieFed and Mbin. It will help reach a more balanced software's use. 🙂

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                                      #74

                                      Didn't I with the Mbin post yesterday?

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                                      • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                        I can add a piefed account as a mod to a community I mod right now.

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                                        #75

                                        How many people like you are using PieFed right now?

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                                        • flamingos@feddit.ukF [email protected]

                                          Has world really not enabled parallel sending yet? That feature was made specifically for them.

                                          Single mod who didn’t want to create a meta posts to ask for more mods.

                                          But the sidebar does say to DM them if you're interested in modding. Not wanting a meta post is weird though.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #76

                                          Has world really not enabled parallel sending yet? That feature was made specifically for them.

                                          I just checked the graph, its now 4.26 days.

                                          Not wanting a meta post is weird though.

                                          Every time I had a mod refusing meta posts it lead to power tripping. Better safe than sorry

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