Murders of two female students prompt calls for a ‘cultural rebellion’ in Italy
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If the goal of prison isn't to turn criminals into better citizens, then why not put all prisoners in a hard labor camp?
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Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
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Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is 'all men' when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
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It is legal for prisoners to be enslaved - perhaps you missed that little gotcha in the amendment.
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It is legal for prisoners to be enslaved - perhaps you missed that little gotcha in the amendment.
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Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they'll learn the hard way.
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That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
When yo say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
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The hell? You're the one who was saying "it's always men," then when presented with evidence to the contrary, you scream "whataboutism"?
You're not helping your cause here, bud.
No evidence has been presented
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Thanks.
I was hoping lemmy would be fee of these misogynistic mobs. I think these guys just proved your point. They presented no evidence or peer reviewed studies back up their made up facts. Femicide and rape culture is a huge problem worldwide. This mobbing of women online is part of the problem.
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Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
Are there usually good men standing around at the scene of a murder?
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I was hoping lemmy would be fee of these misogynistic mobs. I think these guys just proved your point. They presented no evidence or peer reviewed studies back up their made up facts. Femicide and rape culture is a huge problem worldwide. This mobbing of women online is part of the problem.
I saw only one user in this thread try to respond with an unspecified “studies say”. How is that a “mob”?
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No evidence has been presented
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I saw only one user in this thread try to respond with an unspecified “studies say”. How is that a “mob”?
I’ve seen men enable violence against women my entire life. Bye Felicia
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When yo say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
3 out of 8 is a weird way to present a static. Kinda a red flag for spotting anyone trying to push a narrative. There's more than enough data on this to present information in solid percentages or when dealing with population numbers of a society in the millions to billions people in base 10 numbers. 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000... 3 out of 8?! Like what was your sample size? 8?!
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Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
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For a country like Italy, it will also require a cultural shift. I know they love their macho style hombres but that comes with a downside. I dunno, start at schools perhaps, where you can teach children from little to big on how they should interact together?
The exact same goes for Mexico
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I’ve seen men enable violence against women my entire life. Bye Felicia
You didn’t really address my question (how is one person equal to a “mob”), and it seems like you’re using a similar type of anecdote to the one you are complaining about—no source, all personal impression. I’m not trying to be contrarian for the heck of it, I just don’t think you’re making a much better argument than the one you are speaking against.
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When yo say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
First, I love how you got upvotes for saying, "I didn't bother even trying to find any evidence before posting." But that's not on you.
Second, murders are usually followed up on in the developed world, at least to some degree.
Here's a BBC article. 20% in the UK (I found other regions with higher amounts, but I'm okay with this one). Note also that we are talking about something that is incredibly unlikely. 30,000 deaths worldwide per year of women in relationships by their partners. Assuming half of adult women worldwide are in relationships and noting there are about 6 billion adults gives 1.5 billion women in relationships. Note that the country with the highest rate of singles for both sexes is at 25%, so this is pretty conservative. That is a 2 in a million chance per year. Assuming women are in relationships for 60 years because, why not, puts your risk at 120 in a million of being killed by a partner over your lifetime. That is about 1.2 in 10,000, which is about 10 times as likely as dying from general anesthetic.
So now that we've determined that 1.2 in 10,000 men are killing their partners, and I will happily acknowledge that domestic violence is much more prevalent as long as you acknowledge that depending on region, 40% of victims of spousal violence are men (279000÷(432000+279000)), why would we waste our time targeting men for awareness of spousal violence when most men aren't doing it and a significant part of the people who are doing it aren't men?
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3 out of 8 is a weird way to present a static. Kinda a red flag for spotting anyone trying to push a narrative. There's more than enough data on this to present information in solid percentages or when dealing with population numbers of a society in the millions to billions people in base 10 numbers. 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000... 3 out of 8?! Like what was your sample size? 8?!
Little odd of course, but not the worst way to try to illustrate more than 1/4 but not 1/2... Which seems to be in the ballpark of the number he mentioned. If 40% of spousal murders are committed by women it fair to say it's not "always men", but it is more than half but less that 3/4.
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Of course it's not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it's a problem ... especially when the 'good' men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don't want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
That's a big leap... Dumb blonde to beating women.
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You were the one saying that prisons should be harsher in the first place.
