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Poland closes Russian consulate in Krakow over Warsaw mall blaze, says Russia recruited arsonists on social media

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    “In light of the evidence that Russian intelligence services were behind the reprehensible act of sabotage at the shopping centre on Marywilska Street, I have decided to revoke the operating permit of the Russian Federation’s Consulate in Krakow,” Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski wrote on [social media].

    The move follows the arrest of several suspects and an international investigation involving Lithuanian authorities, which uncovered similar sabotage efforts.

    The closure of the consulate comes just a month after local media reported that authorities had quietly renewed the building’s lease, triggering protests in Kraków.

    The fire, which broke out in May last year, destroyed 90% of the centre, but fortunately there were no casualties. It is now seen as part of a wider pattern of Russian-backed sabotage across central and eastern Europe.

    [...]

    In related news, Poland says Russia recruited arsonists for Warsaw fire on social media.

    "We have evidence that they commissioned people living in Poland, they commissioned them on Telegram and paid them to set fire to this huge shopping mall," Sikorski said on Monday ...

    The May 2024 fire destroyed 1,400 small businesses, with many of the staff there belonging to Warsaw's Vietnamese community ...

    [...]

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      “In light of the evidence that Russian intelligence services were behind the reprehensible act of sabotage at the shopping centre on Marywilska Street, I have decided to revoke the operating permit of the Russian Federation’s Consulate in Krakow,” Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski wrote on [social media].

      The move follows the arrest of several suspects and an international investigation involving Lithuanian authorities, which uncovered similar sabotage efforts.

      The closure of the consulate comes just a month after local media reported that authorities had quietly renewed the building’s lease, triggering protests in Kraków.

      The fire, which broke out in May last year, destroyed 90% of the centre, but fortunately there were no casualties. It is now seen as part of a wider pattern of Russian-backed sabotage across central and eastern Europe.

      [...]

      In related news, Poland says Russia recruited arsonists for Warsaw fire on social media.

      "We have evidence that they commissioned people living in Poland, they commissioned them on Telegram and paid them to set fire to this huge shopping mall," Sikorski said on Monday ...

      The May 2024 fire destroyed 1,400 small businesses, with many of the staff there belonging to Warsaw's Vietnamese community ...

      [...]

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      Imagine a World without Russia. No Arson Attacks, No Seacable sabotage, no instigation of political groups, way less political killings in european countries, a whole war would have not happenend, no straigh lying into other peoples faces... and the best: The country known as russia and its citizen had at least a chance for the first time in 100 years, to make things right and maybe, just maybe gain the benefits of their resources and labor. Maybe have a stable social contract. Maybe have less curruption. Maybe showing less Nuclear Strike plans on european cities. Maybe have a free and open press and not just state TV. Chances for everyone and not just the moscow/petersburg diaspora that is ruling the country. Maybe having a discourse about natural energy insteadt of destroying their own nature by oil and gas. Maybe having a discussion about womans right and domestic abuse. Maybe having a discussion about empathy and how to love your neighbors.

      But no, Putin exist and he is shaping russia and russians in his will. The worst leader a country can have.

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        Imagine a World without Russia. No Arson Attacks, No Seacable sabotage, no instigation of political groups, way less political killings in european countries, a whole war would have not happenend, no straigh lying into other peoples faces... and the best: The country known as russia and its citizen had at least a chance for the first time in 100 years, to make things right and maybe, just maybe gain the benefits of their resources and labor. Maybe have a stable social contract. Maybe have less curruption. Maybe showing less Nuclear Strike plans on european cities. Maybe have a free and open press and not just state TV. Chances for everyone and not just the moscow/petersburg diaspora that is ruling the country. Maybe having a discourse about natural energy insteadt of destroying their own nature by oil and gas. Maybe having a discussion about womans right and domestic abuse. Maybe having a discussion about empathy and how to love your neighbors.

        But no, Putin exist and he is shaping russia and russians in his will. The worst leader a country can have.

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        It's not by p*tin's will they are the way they are, he is just a mirror. Without complete destruction and partitioning of their empire, without mass prosecution of public figures, without changing their whole culture it's just pointless, they will return to their current course in 10 years.

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          “In light of the evidence that Russian intelligence services were behind the reprehensible act of sabotage at the shopping centre on Marywilska Street, I have decided to revoke the operating permit of the Russian Federation’s Consulate in Krakow,” Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski wrote on [social media].

          The move follows the arrest of several suspects and an international investigation involving Lithuanian authorities, which uncovered similar sabotage efforts.

          The closure of the consulate comes just a month after local media reported that authorities had quietly renewed the building’s lease, triggering protests in Kraków.

          The fire, which broke out in May last year, destroyed 90% of the centre, but fortunately there were no casualties. It is now seen as part of a wider pattern of Russian-backed sabotage across central and eastern Europe.

          [...]

          In related news, Poland says Russia recruited arsonists for Warsaw fire on social media.

          "We have evidence that they commissioned people living in Poland, they commissioned them on Telegram and paid them to set fire to this huge shopping mall," Sikorski said on Monday ...

          The May 2024 fire destroyed 1,400 small businesses, with many of the staff there belonging to Warsaw's Vietnamese community ...

          [...]

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          Edit: thank you for folks pointing out that it was a consulate closing not an embassy. Consulates are a bit different but closing one is still a big deal. I'll leave my comment unchanged otherwise but keep in mind that closing of any diplomatic relations is always a bad thing.

          It's important for people to understand what the purpose of an embassy is to the host country. It provides an avenue to the guest country where both informal and formal discussions about their relations can occur.

          The closing of an embassy is usually the precursor to war. It's basically the host country saying, "You have committed such a heinous act that we will no longer honor your diplomats here. We will no longer try to deescalate with words."

          I'm genuinely surprised that it took this long for a country to close a Russian embassy.

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            It's not by p*tin's will they are the way they are, he is just a mirror. Without complete destruction and partitioning of their empire, without mass prosecution of public figures, without changing their whole culture it's just pointless, they will return to their current course in 10 years.

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            Complete destruction and partitioning has already been tried on germany after ww1 and it lead to even more destruction and death, so that not a solution

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              Complete destruction and partitioning has already been tried on germany after ww1 and it lead to even more destruction and death, so that not a solution

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              That's why I've mentioned other things that should be implemented.

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                Edit: thank you for folks pointing out that it was a consulate closing not an embassy. Consulates are a bit different but closing one is still a big deal. I'll leave my comment unchanged otherwise but keep in mind that closing of any diplomatic relations is always a bad thing.

                It's important for people to understand what the purpose of an embassy is to the host country. It provides an avenue to the guest country where both informal and formal discussions about their relations can occur.

                The closing of an embassy is usually the precursor to war. It's basically the host country saying, "You have committed such a heinous act that we will no longer honor your diplomats here. We will no longer try to deescalate with words."

                I'm genuinely surprised that it took this long for a country to close a Russian embassy.

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                I don't think you can call them diplomats when in reality they're spies.

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                  That's why I've mentioned other things that should be implemented.

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                  For that you need total victory which is gonna be hard

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                    “In light of the evidence that Russian intelligence services were behind the reprehensible act of sabotage at the shopping centre on Marywilska Street, I have decided to revoke the operating permit of the Russian Federation’s Consulate in Krakow,” Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski wrote on [social media].

                    The move follows the arrest of several suspects and an international investigation involving Lithuanian authorities, which uncovered similar sabotage efforts.

                    The closure of the consulate comes just a month after local media reported that authorities had quietly renewed the building’s lease, triggering protests in Kraków.

                    The fire, which broke out in May last year, destroyed 90% of the centre, but fortunately there were no casualties. It is now seen as part of a wider pattern of Russian-backed sabotage across central and eastern Europe.

                    [...]

                    In related news, Poland says Russia recruited arsonists for Warsaw fire on social media.

                    "We have evidence that they commissioned people living in Poland, they commissioned them on Telegram and paid them to set fire to this huge shopping mall," Sikorski said on Monday ...

                    The May 2024 fire destroyed 1,400 small businesses, with many of the staff there belonging to Warsaw's Vietnamese community ...

                    [...]

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                    Poland and france the only once actually caring about european future

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                      I don't think you can call them diplomats when in reality they're spies.

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                      And spies arent protected under geneva convention. And russia says we are at war with them...sooooooo

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                        Poland and france the only once actually caring about european future

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                        Nah, I would include at least the Baltics and Nordics?

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                          Nah, I would include at least the Baltics and Nordics?

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                          Sorry yes ofc

                          I was more talking about the "big countrys with power in the EU"

                          I know lots more care. Especially the people

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                            It's not by p*tin's will they are the way they are, he is just a mirror. Without complete destruction and partitioning of their empire, without mass prosecution of public figures, without changing their whole culture it's just pointless, they will return to their current course in 10 years.

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                            No. Putin very much formed the 21st century Russian state and broke with Jeltsin's doctrine. Putin is not a symptom he is the disease. And yes, now there'll be a guy to replace him but that guy is also his doing.

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