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Webm supports multiple audio and subtitle tracks inside its RIFF container structure, why the hell arent browsers supporting it???

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      As discussed previously, browsers are quite complex and so adding a new feature (subtitles) is actually adding several features, on top of existing features (video player) that aren't really (arguably) core to the web experience.

      (I think olds like me want to believe the web is still "for" text and static images, but the majority of users today are (allegedly) all-in on video.)

      Anyway, what sub-features make up "simple" subtitles? Oh the usual: where are they sourced? What format? What language? What encoding? (Utf8 one can only pray) Left to right support? Asian character support? What font are you using? System fonts? Are they widely supported? Does any of it work on mobile? Who holds the relevant patents? Etc.

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        As discussed previously, browsers are quite complex and so adding a new feature (subtitles) is actually adding several features, on top of existing features (video player) that aren't really (arguably) core to the web experience.

        (I think olds like me want to believe the web is still "for" text and static images, but the majority of users today are (allegedly) all-in on video.)

        Anyway, what sub-features make up "simple" subtitles? Oh the usual: where are they sourced? What format? What language? What encoding? (Utf8 one can only pray) Left to right support? Asian character support? What font are you using? System fonts? Are they widely supported? Does any of it work on mobile? Who holds the relevant patents? Etc.

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        I'll take complete video support over WebBluetooth, DRM, WebGL and other similar garbage.

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          As discussed previously, browsers are quite complex and so adding a new feature (subtitles) is actually adding several features, on top of existing features (video player) that aren't really (arguably) core to the web experience.

          (I think olds like me want to believe the web is still "for" text and static images, but the majority of users today are (allegedly) all-in on video.)

          Anyway, what sub-features make up "simple" subtitles? Oh the usual: where are they sourced? What format? What language? What encoding? (Utf8 one can only pray) Left to right support? Asian character support? What font are you using? System fonts? Are they widely supported? Does any of it work on mobile? Who holds the relevant patents? Etc.

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          maybe the plugin system wasn't that bad of a concept for video players and such, but it should be more limited and especially secured in any way possible

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            I'll take complete video support over WebBluetooth, DRM, WebGL and other similar garbage.

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            Why is webgl garbage? You don't think 3d online games should be able to exist?

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              Why is webgl garbage? You don't think 3d online games should be able to exist?

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              I never used one tbh. Last time I used something WebGL was when its tech demo was released.

              Of course all of these have uses, that's why they exist. I just find these use cases very rare/exotic compared to viewing a video with subs.

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                maybe the plugin system wasn't that bad of a concept for video players and such, but it should be more limited and especially secured in any way possible

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                I mean, you can write a plugin to support arbitrary subtitle format.

                You can create an ass to css converter if you're crazy enough and render it over the video, or convert it to vtt on the fly if you only care about basic support.

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                  I mean, you can write a plugin to support arbitrary subtitle format.

                  You can create an ass to css converter if you're crazy enough and render it over the video, or convert it to vtt on the fly if you only care about basic support.

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                  I mean, you can write a plugin to support arbitrary subtitle format.

                  I was meaning NPAPI plugins, to replace the whole video player element. I don't think any modern browsers still support it, but it's a bit funny that VLC's installer on Windows still offers installing its plugin

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                    I never used one tbh. Last time I used something WebGL was when its tech demo was released.

                    Of course all of these have uses, that's why they exist. I just find these use cases very rare/exotic compared to viewing a video with subs.

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                    The google maps globe view (and google earth) uses WebGL. I use that quite often.

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