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What is the most dangerous ideology in the world and what makes it dangerous?

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  • D [email protected]

    As someone who escaped Islam - 100%. Unlike other religions that take original texts as interpretations Islam takes the original texts as literal words of God and is essentially stuck. It's a dead religion that exists only through force.

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    Yeah, my understanding is that the interpretation of the Qur’an and Hadiths doesn’t allow for the same kind of flexibility or reform that the Bible does, for example. Of course, that doesn’t mean someone can’t practice a non-fundamentalist version of Islam - and many do - but it’s much harder to justify when you're going against what’s considered the literal word of God.

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      This is surely the correct answer and for the reason you give.

      If we're honest (and informed - a big ask, here) then we should concede that capitalism has been generally good for our species. A quadrupling of human population at the same time as a doubling in longevity - the numbers don't lie and they perfectly track the victory of capitalism as the world's economic system. Leftists don't want to hear it, but it's clearly true.

      But whatever this ideology did for humanity, it has been a complete disaster for all the other forms of life that we share our planet with. And that fact is going to catch up with us soon enough.

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      I think capitalism was a great and necessary thing to get humanity to it's current post-scarcity state. As you said, production and innovation were really aided by capitalism in the early days of man, but now that we have all the shit we need to survive, all it does is deprive those without.

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        I think capitalism was a great and necessary thing to get humanity to it's current post-scarcity state. As you said, production and innovation were really aided by capitalism in the early days of man, but now that we have all the shit we need to survive, all it does is deprive those without.

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        I don't see how capitalism deprives people of anything. Surely that's a problem of wealth distribution, which is politics rather than economics.

        But otherwise agreed.

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          Ableism. As disability advocate Imani Barbarin says, if bigotry is the goal, ableism and eugenics are the toolkit. If you look at the history of any form of systemic bigotry, the justification for human atrocities almost always boils down to “well these people can’t contribute to society, so they don’t deserve to be a part of it.”

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            "Us vs them" mentality.

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              dogmatism

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              dogma

              /dôg′mə, dŏg′-/

              noun

              A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion

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                Religion, because they all believe that they are the only ones who are right, and everyone else needs to believe what they believe, or else something bad will come of it.

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                  Individualism.

                  It has led to a massive amount of duplication of human effort. We could all live massively improved lives if we acted as a community organization instead of a bunch of individual little fuckers whose opinions matter.

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                    dogma

                    /dôg′mə, dŏg′-/

                    noun

                    A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion

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                    dogmatism

                    noun

                    dog·​ma·​tism ˈdȯg-mə-ˌti-zəm

                    : the expression of an opinion or belief as if it were a fact : positiveness in assertion of opinion especially when unwarranted or arrogant

                    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogmatism

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                      Any and every form of dehumanization.

                      Any and every form of bigotry.

                      Any and every form of supremacy.

                      Any and every form of authoritarianism.

                      Every single person from the homeless guy at the on-ramp to TACO himself is an ordinary human. Some humans are born into extraordinary circumstances, some humans accomplish extraordinary feats, but we are all human. Humans are not born hating other humans. Hate is taught and encouraged and ingrained so that it may be passed on.

                      Universal Basic Income is a bandaid on a system couched in one of the ugliest human motivations; greed. I chose my name for that reason; Universal Basic Justice. Justice must be the base motivation; not 'eye for an eye' or 'frontier justice,' but the belief in treating others as you want to be treated; the belief in the powers of forgiveness, responsibility and growth; and the power of compassionate care dedicated to help those that are willing to learn and grow.

                      If and only if all those fail should a human be separated from society in a humane way that prevents their flaws from harming others.

                      Death Row is not justice. Guillotines are not justice. Systemic violence is not justice. No government nor individual should be empowered to decide who is worthy of justice, of forgiveness, of growth. Of life.

                      Every human is fallible. Every human deserves the opportunity to recognize their mistakes as well as the opportunity to learn, grow, and make reparations for those mistakes.

                      I don't see these changes happening in my lifetime. At this point, I'm not sure we humans have enough lifetimes left to achieve these goals.

                      What I am sure of is the danger and violence incumbent within any ideology willing to look down at another human being.

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                        The certainty of being right.

                        Why? Because when (any)one is sure to be right it means the other must be wrong and since they're wrong they probably should not even be allowed to say what they have to say.

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                        I cut a very cherished friend out of my life on Tuesday because of this mentality. When he said "I'm not going to read what you write or consider the point you're trying to make" the first time it was enough. The second time was too much. I expressed my wish for his life to improve, told him good-bye, and removed/blocked him.

                        The next morning I woke up to a text claiming I didn't value his friendship and that he'd be here for me when I got better. That's when I truly realized how long he'd been disregarding the support and compassion I'd been sending his way.

                        I spent Tuesday mentally digging a grave for the friendship. I spent Wednesday filling it in, and that night I drank to the loss of a friend and to the health of the man who replaced him.

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                          Individualism.

                          It has led to a massive amount of duplication of human effort. We could all live massively improved lives if we acted as a community organization instead of a bunch of individual little fuckers whose opinions matter.

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                          You should see what happens when you try force the people of an natural individualistic bend into community organization. Undermining, diversion and later, violence.

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                            Isaac Asimov famously said, “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”.

                            The idea that any idea is worth listening to because someone believes in it.

                            Show me the proof.

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                            I see four downvotes.

                            Would love to know the position those people have. Are they threatened by their own ignorance being called out? Or are they just conservative?

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                              TESCREAL

                              It ends in either replacing humans with AGI or massive atrocities in an attempt to achieve it.

                              And there are people in positions of real power who believe in this stuff and act on it.

                              Andreessen posted a manifesto where he said that deliberately delaying AGI is basically mass murder and should be treated as such.

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                              I too, think this is a really dangerous one that hasn't quite pinged on most peoples' radar yet because it's so niche, but like you said, when people with power and influence can actually act on it, they have the capacity to cause a lot of harm over what would normally just be fringe philosophies.

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                                Look out for number one. Selfishness is at the root of most dangers to humanity.

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                                This mentality and reinforced culture is a big reason inhuman corporate ideals and customs have festered throughout our society like a fungal infection.

                                It's so difficult to organize because plenty of fellow workers will simply be passive and complacent with whatever increasingly bad lot they're given, or worse, will be straight up class traitors looking to be rewarded by ruthless masters.

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                                  Good old fashioned tribalism.

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                                    I see four downvotes.

                                    Would love to know the position those people have. Are they threatened by their own ignorance being called out? Or are they just conservative?

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                                    I'd like to think that they are just mad that they have to see this quote so often these days.

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                                      I'd like to think that they are just mad that they have to see this quote so often these days.

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                                      I find this so confusing… it’s like the old saying, “if you don’t want to be called a fascist, don’t be a fascist!”

                                      Conservatives have the strangest contradictions. They want to be all these socially and morally odious things, then get upset when we call them out on those very things.

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                                        Good old fashioned tribalism.

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                                        Every other answer on this thread boils down to tribalism.

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                                          You should see what happens when you try force the people of an natural individualistic bend into community organization. Undermining, diversion and later, violence.

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                                          Right. Underscoring that individualism is a highly sinister force.

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