How does everyone deal with this dilemma?
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Gonna need a source for that claim on higher inputs for human food.
If economics is your excuse for raising animal feed instead of human food then it’s just another knock on capitalism. (Although if you calculated the economic cost of raising/slaughtering/shipping all that meat, I’d wager it’s not cheaper than growing plants for humans to eat)
Also, we farmed animals in the past because they are a good storage for calories when it’s winter and you can’t grow food. We live in a global society now. It’s not necessary. Animals are grown and killed because their meat is pleasurable to eat; simple as that.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Hard to find a source for fertilizer usage per type of crop so of you want to dismiss that for lack of source I'm ok with that. Still think that a crop with higher sugar content and a more precise composition would need more input. But if you can provide a source otherwise would also be welcome to clear doubts.
When I'm talking about economy I'm not talking wall street. I'm talking about the definition of economy. Which is the distribution of resources.
I don't agree in your final statement. For many reasons: It's not a good thing being global, it is not desirable that your food comes from the other side of the world just because you decided not to eat a local chicken. That's quite complex and a different conversation overall but I think local food consumption is better overall. And without putting restrictions as in "do not eat meat" it's easier to achieve local consumption.
While winter storage is important, plant based food can also be stored, and we see animal consumption in human cultures from places without cold winters so the statements can be labeled as not true, or at least not sufficient.
Most people eat meat because it's the easiest way to have the necessary caloric and nutrient input. Not for pleasure. If we would only eat for pleasure we would only probably eat sugar which is plant based. Vegan diet is just too much of a headache within a population that already have issues maintaining balance with an omnivore diet. Many pleasure foods are plant based, like pizza, so that must no be the only reason people eat meat.
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They amount of care and soil usage is always going to be higher on crops destined to human consumption.
It doesn't matter because the other costs of raising animals (eg water, land, waste) completely outweight any supposed, tiny advantage from growing plants to feed them.
It’s not tradicional. It’s observation of history... We have done it because it’s the most efficient way to do things.
I love this dishonest change of tense. Even if it was once "efficient", the current state of industrial murder is literally destroying the planet. Completely unsustainable.
I'm not dishonest. Please be respectful if you want others to respect you aswell.
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Search which cultives tend to be part of healthy crop rotations and most of the times you’ll find a crop that’s used for animals and cannot be eaten by humans.
Yeah that's a choice. There are plenty of crops that can be rotated for human consumption. It's a choice to waste land and destroy the planet so carnists can torture and murder animals.
Do you think human beings have been farming animals and those “extra crops” just for funsies.
Do you think that's the only option? Do you think agriculture hasn't progressed in 2000 years?
It’s the most efficient way to feed human population. That’s why it have been done for millenia.
You gonna start promoting the keto diet next?
Your oversimplification was maybe a relatively efficient way to feed small populations 2000 years ago. Now it's the most inefficient. Literally starving people while destroying the planet.
why are you so aggressive?
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I gave multiple ways to reduce food waste. You only responded about the freezer and clung to it, you're still talking about it. If you have your own method to not waste food then this post and my comment aren't about you, stop playing the victim.
I'm not playing victim. I'm just pointing out that some people have tiny freezers.
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Pro tip
Move to a bigger house
Can't afford it atm. Not everybody is rolling in money xD
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I had this issue with produce. I stopped buying it because it would just go bad before I used it.
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I'm not playing victim. I'm just pointing out that some people have tiny freezers.
Then use any other of the methods suggested, stop going on about freezers!
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Buy food that has a long shelf life - lentil, rice, beans, canned vegetables, salsa jars. As a bonus it also doesn't have to be refridgerated.
That! And then forget you have them for three years because ADHD.
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Escape car dependency. I'm fortunate enough that I live within walking/biking distance of a few groceries. I can easily buy produce as I need it so it doesn't go bad.
Fuck cars.
And fuck you for giving such a pretentious answer to a genuine question.
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Freeze stuff
Walk yo and from the grocery store
Buy stuff that will last a while
Grow your own produce
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Buy food that has a long shelf life - lentil, rice, beans, canned vegetables, salsa jars. As a bonus it also doesn't have to be refridgerated.
You now have gout from eating too many preservatives.
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Then use any other of the methods suggested, stop going on about freezers!
You really do not have to be this aggressive, my dude. I don't have meal planning issues, I just wanted to bring up one aspect of meal planning that doesn't always work for everybody.
People work with what they have, I just wanted to mention the thing about freezers because people tend to always assume that everybody has a lot of freezer space, which isn't the case. That is all. No need to get all bent out of shape over it.
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In my household we tend to buy just enough that we know we can eat it over the course of two to three days if it is perishable foods.
If the store sells smaller packs of meat and vegetables and other perishable foods, we buy those and use them in our cooking the next few days.
We don't have a lot of freezer space and we don't have a garden, so we try and avoid bulk buying unless we know we will be able to eat it all before it goes bad. It works pretty well.
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We cook and eat the food.
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Use a software/app to meal plane. (Mealie/Tandoor)
You pick the recipes you fancy for the days/week/whatever period. It generates a grocery list containing exactly what is needed for the meals you chose, nothing else.I haven't thrown away anything in a couple years now. Oh and freeze leftovers if needed.
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Perishables take more planning. Get just enough and have a plan to use it. Use canned and frozen food to account for uncertainty. Be aware of expiration dates of your food and plan accordingly.
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Freeze your fresh bread and only defrost the amount that you're going to eat.
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This happens to us - if I cook dinner for everyone, two of us eat, if I cook dinner for two of us, everyone wants to eat. If I make enough for leftovers, nobody takes them to lunch. If I don't make enough, they ask why there is not enough for lunch.
Things that help on your question though -
Canned beans, canned tomatoes, canned coconut milk, canned pumpkin, jarred spaghetti sauce, spices - a lot of our staples are not perishable.
Do you live where you can stop by the store on the way home? Then don't buy perishables for the week, buy them for the meal you are making.
Some foods and meals freeze pretty well, freeze them and keep a list of what's in the freezer so you remember to eat it.
I hate meal planning but it helps a lot. I sometimes put a note on the fridge "we have food for dal with spinach, chicken & cabbage, sheet pan gnocchi with sausage and broccoli, eggs and potatoes" or whatever we have the food to make, and cross them off as they are made.
Some foods make other foods. So if I make a hunk of pork, it's pork, rice and beans then enchiladas then burritos, and so on.
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You really do not have to be this aggressive, my dude. I don't have meal planning issues, I just wanted to bring up one aspect of meal planning that doesn't always work for everybody.
People work with what they have, I just wanted to mention the thing about freezers because people tend to always assume that everybody has a lot of freezer space, which isn't the case. That is all. No need to get all bent out of shape over it.
Oh my god youre still going on about freezers, just stop it. No one cares. Multiple methods were said, go do one of those and ignore the bit on freezers, how many times? Are you just trying to be a troll or something? Stop replying.
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It’s called a freezer and lunches for the extra.
Eat chicken? Batch cook that pallet- brine in about a couple of water, a bouillon cube, garlic and a bunch of salt, parsley, oregano, rosemary (to your taste), and a couple of the cheapest white wine at the grocery store if your feeling fancy or really like gravy.
After a few hours or overnight, dry and throw in your oven at 400 for twenty minutes. When its out, let the chicken cool on a cutting board, slice some up and chop up the rest.
You now have a baseline chicken that tastes as good as deli-quality that works well in everything from dinners, sandwiches and salads, and if you skip the rosemary, its a good stir fry addin.
