well was fun knowing you...
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I would say that psychologically it’s the addiction of power. We toe the line where “competition” creates the dopamine release of “being better than others.”
Yet for some that means it’s never enough. Richest person in the world? Need to take over government. Most powerful world leader? Need to assert myself even more.
I think the great filter often boils down to unnecessary competition. In the short term it leads to technological strides, but in the long term it becomes a species self-harm, and perhaps broader. A good theoretical example is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_Earth's_Past
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Every species that exists within that series is so focused on ensuring they have the most power that they will go out of their way to annihilate any other species due to the assumption that’s what all of them will do is seek more power. Ironically considering the scientific and technological capabilities of the involved parties, they may have been able to work together towards a better outcome than “anyone who isn’t me is my enemy” which is basically universal fascism.
:::I've been floating the idea that evolution is the ultimate culprit. Add intelligence to "most prolific, genetically" and get capitalism, then late stage capitalism in our technological age, and viola...
I've been told I'm insane, though, so take it with a grain of salt
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That's the other half of the filter. Regular people follow them.
Because of money.
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Money is just paper. Now it's just bits on a disk.
The human need to acquire I think is the problem.
So you don't think money is power, and your don't think information is power either. What is?
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Dont worry, there will be others. We're just one of the first precursor species.
Not a particularly interesting one, but still.
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Mother nature made us more clever than other animals but didn't give us any additional wisdom. So we destroy our environment and overshoot our population the same as any other species.
Too bad our environment is 'everywhere.' Perhaps nature wanted to commit suicide and so spawned us.
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Rich White People: "Humans are simply incapable of self-governance. They are too violent, too prone to conflict, too hell bent on self-obliteration. I suppose we are doomed as a species to exterminate ourselves and all other life surrounding us."
Every Other Socio-Economic Group: "STAHP! PLEASE STAHP!!!!"
White people?
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Mother nature made us more clever than other animals but didn't give us any additional wisdom. So we destroy our environment and overshoot our population the same as any other species.
Too bad our environment is 'everywhere.' Perhaps nature wanted to commit suicide and so spawned us.
nature will be fine. when you really think about it the planet is just beget by the stars so like are we really that important? probably just one of a thousand attempts across the universe.
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Cancer never killed people young in relevant quantities, that is a big reason why we never evolved to get rid of it to begin with: We already have old kids by the time it causes trouble. The same way getting another set of teeth never evolved. Or generally getting far older.
I think he meant the environment will be so polluted and radioactive that cancer will be more common at younger ages
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The basic cycle of mass extinction is that an organism becomes too successful and breaks the ecosystem in ways that more complex life has trouble surviving.
So, yeah, an intelligent species has to prove itself capable of self control to not destroy its own environment or at least capable enough to spread before it does.
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Rich White People: "Humans are simply incapable of self-governance. They are too violent, too prone to conflict, too hell bent on self-obliteration. I suppose we are doomed as a species to exterminate ourselves and all other life surrounding us."
Every Other Socio-Economic Group: "STAHP! PLEASE STAHP!!!!"
Greed and lack of vision aren't flaws exclusive to white people. Implying such is racist.
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Or, if they get past the great filter of self-absorbed shittery, they either:
- Realize how dangerous and pathetic almost smart enough species are and steer clear entirely.
- Realize life itself is a game of greed and shittery and settle in to a life of reclusive observance to not be greedy.
- Allow themselves to die off because life is a pathetic attempt to be special on a stage that is far too vast to ever change or give a damn about sentience.
I lean towards 1.
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The traits that allow a species to achieve global dominance are not compatible with long term survival.
Sure they are. When tempered with other obvious evolutionary advantages like foresight and valuing the needs of the community above ludicrous individual hoarding.
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Because of money.
No, not really.
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So you don't think money is power, and your don't think information is power either. What is?
They are saying it is more general than money or information, that those are power but those specifically are not special. If we had a society without money, something else would occupy the same purpose of the psychological need of humans "to get more" to be on top.
They aren't saying "money isn't important to that", they are saying "money isn't important to that".
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Rich White People: "Humans are simply incapable of self-governance. They are too violent, too prone to conflict, too hell bent on self-obliteration. I suppose we are doomed as a species to exterminate ourselves and all other life surrounding us."
Every Other Socio-Economic Group: "STAHP! PLEASE STAHP!!!!"
Typical Lemmy comment.
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The basic cycle of mass extinction is that an organism becomes too successful and breaks the ecosystem in ways that more complex life has trouble surviving.
So, yeah, an intelligent species has to prove itself capable of self control to not destroy its own environment or at least capable enough to spread before it does.
Yep, and our energy consumption is probably the biggest test of that self-control. We're burning through millions of years of stored sunlight in a couple centuries. If we don't figure out sustainable power generation soon, we're toast. I've been researching backup power options at gearscouts.com and the $/Wh efficiency of LFP batteries is getting way better, but we need grid-scale solutions.
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I once saw someone exclude AI apocalypse from list of existential risks on the grounds that the AI lives on even if we don't.
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I once saw someone exclude AI apocalypse from list of existential risks on the grounds that the AI lives on even if we don't.
AI jumps out of its server farm to go refill the generator tanks?
I'm not sure about that.
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White people?
Remember kids, racism is okay if MY Group does it.
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AI jumps out of its server farm to go refill the generator tanks?
I'm not sure about that.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]robots and drones and stuff exist. If the AI is capable of exterminating humans I'm sure it can figure out robotics.
