Alpha males
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In correct. "It" does have many definitions, but none of them are 'first'.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You're wrong, according to the definition, anyway. You should let Oxford know that you know better! I'm sure they will crown you as king.
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You're wrong, according to the definition, anyway. You should let Oxford know that you know better! I'm sure they will crown you as king.
I see that my definition comes before yours, so I am king.
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I see that my definition comes before yours, so I am king.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's neat! A heavy crown to bear.
I'm glad you learned something today... now go forth, and sin no more.
You could say... that your favorite definition is the "alpha" of definitions.
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That's neat! A heavy crown to bear.
I'm glad you learned something today... now go forth, and sin no more.
You could say... that your favorite definition is the "alpha" of definitions.
A crown made of internet points isn't heavy at all.
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I think "alpha" males appear naturally in some species, but not in wolves and definitely not in hominids, lol.
I find it fascinating how oblivious people pretend to be about what our natural social hierarchies are, making fringe speculations ranging from proto-capitalism, over alpha male fantasies, to proto-communism.
Maybe it's too obvious, or too boring, but it's families. Incidentally, happens to be the same for actual, natural packs of wolves.
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Hey hey hey!
We're Werewolves, not Swearwolves
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Counterpoint:
Humans in a civilized (meaning urbanized) society... are domesticated, are basically in captivity, from the comparative framework of wild animals.
CounterCounterpoint:
Using studies on captive wolves as a fundamental basis for how human societies do or should work...
... Is maybe really stupid compared to, I don't know, using Sociology as a basis to understand human societies.
Sociology being the field that focuses on the social dynamics of uh, humans, which are markedly different from wolves, and other distinct, largely non sapient animals.
Its uh, kinda in our name, homo sapiens sapiens.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Humans in a civilized (meaning urbanized) society… are domesticated, are basically in captivity, from the comparative framework of wild animals.
What about urban existence resembles captivity? You aren't constrained geographically or denied personal autonomy. In fact, you have significantly more freedom and autonomy precisely because you're at the hub of a large, well-developed collection of infrastructure and accumulated resources.
I would not consider a human in a city any more "in captivity" than a duck in a lake.
Its uh, kinda in our name, homo sapiens sapiens.
So nice they named us twice
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Lemmy said it was different than Reddit, same gatekeeper BS, no real conversation, just the opinions that google gave you
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Lemmy said it was different than Reddit, same gatekeeper BS, no real conversation, just the opinions that google gave you
I guess. I was able to engage in real conversation on Reddit and still do here, sounds like you've not really trying.
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Humans in a civilized (meaning urbanized) society… are domesticated, are basically in captivity, from the comparative framework of wild animals.
What about urban existence resembles captivity? You aren't constrained geographically or denied personal autonomy. In fact, you have significantly more freedom and autonomy precisely because you're at the hub of a large, well-developed collection of infrastructure and accumulated resources.
I would not consider a human in a city any more "in captivity" than a duck in a lake.
Its uh, kinda in our name, homo sapiens sapiens.
So nice they named us twice
wrote last edited by [email protected]You aren't constrained geographically or denied personal autonomy.
Nation-State Borders.
Sorry, you can't leave Gaza, you're not allowed to.
You need a ticket to attend this concert.
You will be arrested or shot on sight if you enter this facility without authorization.
Sure, you can download a movie, but thats a crime, so really, you can't.
Sure, you can hack into a Tesla and drive off with it, but thats also a crime, so really, you can't.
Whites Bathroom on the Left, Negroes on the Right.
Japanes heritage in the 1940s?
Off to a concentration camp, all your property is forfeit.
Hispanic, or even just brown skinned in current year?
Same.
Only the Preist may enter the Holy of Holies.
etc etc.
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And even less overt things than that:
You can't go to this club, this bar, this concert dressed like that, talking like that.
No, you cannot go outside nude, thats generally a crime.
You can't say those words, love that person, speak that language, have that opinion or belief, not without social ostricisization or even incarceration.
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In fact, you have significantly more freedom and autonomy precisely because you're at the hub of a large, well-developed collection of infrastructure and accumulated resources.
Sure, if you're in the global top 1% to 5 % of people wealthy enough to afford all those things that you can now do via the exploitation and reduction of freedom of the other 99% to 95%.
Everyone else has to go back to work, or they get evicted, starve and die.
The duck can fly away and never return, if it wants to.
A human can only do that to the extent it has money.
... We just live in a more complicated Zoo with more rules, that we built for ourselves, compared to ourselves 100,000 years ago.
I am not saying there are no upsides to civilization.
I am just saying you maybe need a different frame of reference to see the differences, the downsides.
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I don't know, you tell me... here we are having a nice discussion, and why are you thinking of assholes? Nasty.
Alpha means first, as it has for millennia. Get mad about it
I’m not mad, I’m laughing at you. You’re a joke. Keep it up, I love a good laugh.
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You aren't constrained geographically or denied personal autonomy.
Nation-State Borders.
Sorry, you can't leave Gaza, you're not allowed to.
You need a ticket to attend this concert.
You will be arrested or shot on sight if you enter this facility without authorization.
Sure, you can download a movie, but thats a crime, so really, you can't.
Sure, you can hack into a Tesla and drive off with it, but thats also a crime, so really, you can't.
Whites Bathroom on the Left, Negroes on the Right.
Japanes heritage in the 1940s?
Off to a concentration camp, all your property is forfeit.
Hispanic, or even just brown skinned in current year?
Same.
Only the Preist may enter the Holy of Holies.
etc etc.
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And even less overt things than that:
You can't go to this club, this bar, this concert dressed like that, talking like that.
No, you cannot go outside nude, thats generally a crime.
You can't say those words, love that person, speak that language, have that opinion or belief, not without social ostricisization or even incarceration.
...
In fact, you have significantly more freedom and autonomy precisely because you're at the hub of a large, well-developed collection of infrastructure and accumulated resources.
Sure, if you're in the global top 1% to 5 % of people wealthy enough to afford all those things that you can now do via the exploitation and reduction of freedom of the other 99% to 95%.
Everyone else has to go back to work, or they get evicted, starve and die.
The duck can fly away and never return, if it wants to.
A human can only do that to the extent it has money.
... We just live in a more complicated Zoo with more rules, that we built for ourselves, compared to ourselves 100,000 years ago.
I am not saying there are no upsides to civilization.
I am just saying you maybe need a different frame of reference to see the differences, the downsides.
Nothing you're describing has to do with "cities". Certainly, none of these conditions somehow improve in a state of nature, either.
If anything, the philosophic underpinnings of your critiques are rooted in the large, surplus rich, heavily bureaucratic academic institutions that civilization produces. "Open borders" without roads, "civil rights" without courts and adjudicators, "downloading a movie" without telecommunications and Hollywood scale production companies, "Desegregated bathrooms" without indoor plumbing... its all meaningless.
You can't simultaneously insist shitting in the woods, bored out of your mind, stuck at the bottom of a gully, as you're about to get pounced on by a wild cat is a valuable perspective and then complain that the public library you just drove to where you'd like to use the free wifi to steal movies doesn't have egalitarian toilet setups. You've put the cart a mile ahead of the horse.
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Lemmy said it was different than Reddit, same gatekeeper BS, no real conversation, just the opinions that google gave you
You're on a 1 day old account with only 4 comments. You haven't even tried to have a conversation yet. You're also on the lemmy.world instance which is as close to Reddit as Lemmy gets, so what would you expect? Maybe try a different instance that's closer to what you're looking for.
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I’m not mad, I’m laughing at you. You’re a joke. Keep it up, I love a good laugh.
Laugh more! Meanwhile, alpha still means first in every dictionary ever printed.
Ha!
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Laugh more! Meanwhile, alpha still means first in every dictionary ever printed.
Ha!
You’re funny.
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Nothing you're describing has to do with "cities". Certainly, none of these conditions somehow improve in a state of nature, either.
If anything, the philosophic underpinnings of your critiques are rooted in the large, surplus rich, heavily bureaucratic academic institutions that civilization produces. "Open borders" without roads, "civil rights" without courts and adjudicators, "downloading a movie" without telecommunications and Hollywood scale production companies, "Desegregated bathrooms" without indoor plumbing... its all meaningless.
You can't simultaneously insist shitting in the woods, bored out of your mind, stuck at the bottom of a gully, as you're about to get pounced on by a wild cat is a valuable perspective and then complain that the public library you just drove to where you'd like to use the free wifi to steal movies doesn't have egalitarian toilet setups. You've put the cart a mile ahead of the horse.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Almost none of the things I listed could or have existed without cities, historically, anthropologically.
Civilization brings technologies and living standard improvements, and the price that is paid for these is a symmetrically increasing body of rules and norms... which definitionally restrict autonomy.
Yeah, true, total freedom and autonomy is terrifying and dangerous.
But it is true and total freedom.
I am not complaining that a public library has segregated bathrooms and that this is objectively worse in every way possible than being pounced by a leopard while trying to shit in the jungle.
You are shifting the conversation to 'what is generally better'... when the original issue was 'civilization requires following rules that restrict freedom and autonomy.'
I am not an anarcho primitivist, I do not think 'return to the wild' is any kind of a good idea.
But, when I say that civilization roughly is domestication, is captivity... it is pertinent to fully compare and contrast all the actual differences, so that you can actually see, understand, and appreciate them.
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Maybe a more simple example would work.
Your pet cat probably can't actually hunt for shit.
It has been domesticated, learned how to scream when its food bowl isn't full, not how to actually hunt that well.
Ok, now, humans, also, even pretending we haven't largely destroyed the biosphere for the sake of an easier comparison...
We generally also can't hunt for shit, because what we do when we are hungry is drive to the grocery store.
But, 100k years ago, no such thing as a grocery store existed, you more or less needed to be part of a small band capable of hunting and gathering and cooking their own food.
This is a rather straightforward example of how civilization roughly is equivalent (from the point of view of a wild animal, or pre-civilized human) to us domesticating ourselves.
We've lost some skills, gained others.
Its a trade off.
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Obviously civilization is far more complex than just domestication, but domestication is a pretty fundamental part of civilization.
Why did we domesticate dogs and cats?
Well, it was mutually beneficial.
We got uh... well I guess Gods and rodent control from cats, we got loyal hunting partners that are also goofy and doofy from dogs... and they got a lot closer to the grocery store paradigm, pretty quickly.
I am guessing you live in a home of some kind, probably?
Congrats, you are domesticated, don't piss off your HOA, don't forget to pay your mortgage, rent, don't annoy the neighbors, don't start an industrial machine workshop in your backyard, check your local ordinances before you set up a rain catcher, etc.
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You’re funny.
Why do you distrust dictionaries and ignore definitions that you don't agree with?
I don't get the motivation.
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Why do you distrust dictionaries and ignore definitions that you don't agree with?
I don't get the motivation.
You understand that there are multiple definitions to words depending on context, right? You get that language is contextual and not a mathematical formula, right?
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TIL I am an alpha male after all...
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I find it fascinating how oblivious people pretend to be about what our natural social hierarchies are, making fringe speculations ranging from proto-capitalism, over alpha male fantasies, to proto-communism.
Maybe it's too obvious, or too boring, but it's families. Incidentally, happens to be the same for actual, natural packs of wolves.
I find it most fascinating how they take (supposed) observations from entirely different animals to justify what's happening with humans.
For a mantis it's natural to eat her partner right after sex. For mussels it's natural to never meet their sexual partner. Obviously what's natural for a mantis is not natural for mussels and vice versa. With that established, why would any of that have an influence on how humans behave?
And to take that further, wolves, different kinds of primates and all sorts of other animals that people draw comparisons from are also wildly different animals from humans and what's normal for them is not normal for us and vice-versa.
And not only that, but even what's "natural" for primitive humans has nothing to do with what we are doing. It's "natural" for humans to live in small packs/clans in the semi-wildernis, not to live in a perfectly safe, air conditioned building, driving to work in a fast, safe, air-conditioned vehicle and then sit motionless in front of a screen in an air-conditioned building for 8-10h.
Nothing of how we live is natural, and finding justifications on how we as humans work in "natural" states is misguided at best.
