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    Americans always act like you need to pick between capitalism and communism. There's a whole spectrum inbetween you know. I live in one of the most taxed countries of Europe and while we all still complain, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else right now.

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    Well I'm not american nor did I suggest communism. I asked an open ended question.
    Also I hardly believe your European country isn't based on capitalism. Albeit with more social aspects perhaps.

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      Is the joke that everyone actually hates capitalism? I don't personally know anyone that claims to love capitalism. We just deal with it because we have to since it's what we have to work with.

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      Totalitarian "communist" regimes have done so much damage to the world and their peoples, that to this day the general populace considers capitalism the only way to build functional society.

      I'm a democratic socialist from a post-communist country, and people are quick to assume I'm a Leninist after hearing that I'm a socialist.

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        I'm curious though. How would you fix it?
        Don't get me wrong; I hate capitalism to my core, but I don't know how we'd have a better and sustainable alternative.

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        Start by eating the rich.

        If you're really serious:

        • Make lobbying illegal
        • Start regulating companies before they become monopolies.
        • Stop politicians from engaging in insider trading
        • Make labor unions the norm
        • Stop bailing out billion dollar companies without any change in the system
        • Move towards universal healthcare

        It's not going to change overnight or within a few years, but bending over backwards for a "lesser evil" is only going to raise the level of evil you're okay with.

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          Tbh my job is cool, even the company is fine and the owner too, it's the middle managers that have to "prove themselves" that are the bane of my existence.

          The one I have now was elevated to his position simply by being a yes man, he is the worst we have at our relevant skill by a wide margin, he tells you your ideas are bad and then two weeks later he just happens to have your "great" idea out of nowhere, he doesn't stick up for his underlings instead preferring to crack the whip at his bosses mention (previous dept head had our backs, miss him so much), he'll crack that whip all day but never roll up his sleeves and get in the shit with us like the last one would, and much much more!

          Last guy was a leader, this dickhead is a "boss." And barely even that.

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            Most countries are like that. Some anomalies include Hungary, where Stahanovism is still well and alive in the age of capitalism.

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              I don't hate my boss or my job, I just hate having to do the same shit every day until I retire or die.

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              • bandanabug@piefed.socialB [email protected]

                I'm curious though. How would you fix it?
                Don't get me wrong; I hate capitalism to my core, but I don't know how we'd have a better and sustainable alternative.

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                The population could have not voted for obvious bad guys consistently, and when half the voting population went further right the remaining half still couldn’t match it and many kept pushing for conservative, but not far right, candidates. Better options were in front of them at the same time but the US population as a whole has a deep-seated fear of anything to the left and they’d rather get fucked by the right than try anything new(new for them, successful examples exist beyond their borders, and sometimes within them but in other states).

                Capitalism as a system is an extreme way to run things where money is king. It was created around the time monarchs were being killed off because the parastic nobles and merchants wanted an excuse to keep all their power so they switched from divine right to rule and power based in what family tree you sprouted from to “I totally earned the right to rule please don’t look at this any further it’s not the exact same with extra steps I swear”. You can have money in many other systems but it’s not used as the very basis for morality and your productivity for the owner class is not directly tied to your right to live. Even a small step away from capitalism is a huge improvement.

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                • bandanabug@piefed.socialB [email protected]

                  Well I'm not american nor did I suggest communism. I asked an open ended question.
                  Also I hardly believe your European country isn't based on capitalism. Albeit with more social aspects perhaps.

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                  Not the OP, but they said, "someplace between capitalism and communism" so I think "capitalism with modern social programs" would qualify.

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                    Sounds like an abusive relationship to me

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                      And most of them vote for the same party their boss votes for.

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                        The only thing the US truly excels at is at marketing. They have taken the art of fluffing up, bullshitting and propagandizing to unparalleled heights. They will spin you any story, sell you any banal detail as a major novelty. And not just as ‘a people’ but right down to individuals.

                        Why? Because everyone’s supposed to be their own ‘brand’, to sell themselves to everyone else, all the time. Sell yourself or sell your boss’ story. Sell or perish.

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                        "Cookies basic life necessities are for CLOSERS!"

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