old shows with important lesbian/bisexual women?
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Babylon 5 has two women start a relationship... sort of.
They set up a frienship that was supposed to turn into a romantic relationship, but one of them left the show, cutting that subplot short. They still try to work it in, as the last couple episodes before the character exit heavily imply they are romantically/sexually involved, but nothing is explicitly confirmed until the next season when the remaining character briefly opens up about having loved the now absent character.
It's not much, but it's still pretty big for the early to mid 90s.
I kinda wonder where that was planned to go if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show. All of the rogue telepath/underground railroad/badass black eyes stuff/...Byron, I guess? stuff was supposed to be Talia, who's powers had been enhanced by that boyfriend guy of hers, Ironheart or whatever his name was. "See you in a million years." Except they had to replace her with Lyta, who had spent her time away being touched by Vorlons.
So Lyta got most of Talia's part...except she and Ivanova weren't involved, Ivanova moved onto another doomed relationship with Marcus. What were they going to do with Talia and Susan if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show?
Was the recording of her personality from before she and Susan had gotten together, meaning Susan's feelings were now unrequited?
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?6 feet under has one of the main characters who is living a gay marital life.
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I kinda wonder where that was planned to go if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show. All of the rogue telepath/underground railroad/badass black eyes stuff/...Byron, I guess? stuff was supposed to be Talia, who's powers had been enhanced by that boyfriend guy of hers, Ironheart or whatever his name was. "See you in a million years." Except they had to replace her with Lyta, who had spent her time away being touched by Vorlons.
So Lyta got most of Talia's part...except she and Ivanova weren't involved, Ivanova moved onto another doomed relationship with Marcus. What were they going to do with Talia and Susan if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show?
Was the recording of her personality from before she and Susan had gotten together, meaning Susan's feelings were now unrequited?
And it's even more complicated by the fact that Talia was already the replacement for Lyta. And that the revelation about her being a sleeper was never meant to happen unless she left. Oddly enough, that exit was actually recycling the plan for Takashima had she made it past the pilot, only she got replaced... by Susan.
Plus there's Garibaldi. His interest in Talia mirrors Zach's interest in Lyta. Garibaldi's interest is never resolved because of Talia's exit. That they tried to reestablish that idea with Zach and Lyta implies there was a plan. Given where things go with Garibaldi and telepaths (including Lyta) that might have been very interesting.
Instead, Zach's interest gets folded into the Byron plot. But Byron is also a late addition caused by the whole cancelation and uncancelation around season 5. If they hadn't lost multiple cast members and rushed key plotlines to fit them into season 4, things would have probably been very different.
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And it's even more complicated by the fact that Talia was already the replacement for Lyta. And that the revelation about her being a sleeper was never meant to happen unless she left. Oddly enough, that exit was actually recycling the plan for Takashima had she made it past the pilot, only she got replaced... by Susan.
Plus there's Garibaldi. His interest in Talia mirrors Zach's interest in Lyta. Garibaldi's interest is never resolved because of Talia's exit. That they tried to reestablish that idea with Zach and Lyta implies there was a plan. Given where things go with Garibaldi and telepaths (including Lyta) that might have been very interesting.
Instead, Zach's interest gets folded into the Byron plot. But Byron is also a late addition caused by the whole cancelation and uncancelation around season 5. If they hadn't lost multiple cast members and rushed key plotlines to fit them into season 4, things would have probably been very different.
It's an interesting study in TV show design, isn't it?
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?wrote last edited by [email protected]Station 19 started in 2018, almost old enough, I thought it was really good, of you like fire fighter procedural dramas. Had strong gay, lesbian and bisexual characters. Kind of a spin off of greys anatomy.
911 Lone Star, came out in 2020, three gay men and a trans man, I don’t think there were any lesbians, also a fire fighter drama.
Greys Anatomy, 20 years old and still going, one lesbian and one bisexual main character (I’m only at season 10, can’t speak to it past that).
Madam Secretary, came out in 2014, had one lesbian character- not really a main character though.
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Station 19 started in 2018, almost old enough, I thought it was really good, of you like fire fighter procedural dramas. Had strong gay, lesbian and bisexual characters. Kind of a spin off of greys anatomy.
911 Lone Star, came out in 2020, three gay men and a trans man, I don’t think there were any lesbians, also a fire fighter drama.
Greys Anatomy, 20 years old and still going, one lesbian and one bisexual main character (I’m only at season 10, can’t speak to it past that).
Madam Secretary, came out in 2014, had one lesbian character- not really a main character though.
Adding to add:
Star Trek: Discovery is not old, but has great LGBTQ representation.
Take My Wife (2016) “A show about lesbians who are married, staying actual lesbians who are married, and no one gets breast cancer!” They have since divorced. Both main characters are stand up comics irl.
And speaking of stand up comics starting semi autobiographical sitcoms, One Mississippi (2015) is very good.
Tig Notaro.Speaking of Tig, the Handsome podcast with Fortune Fiemster and Mae Martin is great.
Speaking of Mae, Feel Good is not old, and we’ll not make you feel good, but it’s a semi autobiographical drama series about a bisexual comedian.
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?Another anime suggestion would be RWBY. However I don’t want to explain it, if you’ve never seen it… it would be a big spoiler.
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Another anime suggestion would be RWBY. However I don’t want to explain it, if you’ve never seen it… it would be a big spoiler.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I wouldn't call RWBY a good example. First, it goes downhill after season 3. Second, the relationship you're referring to was only added in due to fans continually demanding it just from the two merely looking at each other in season 1.
And before you start to argue the second point: Monty Oum created the show. If you want a leg to stand on, go find evidence of him claiming the relationship was intended from the start. And please don't give me a quote from Miles Luna, he's the one that drove the show into the ground
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Roseanne had a lesbian couple in it. Roseanne's boss at the diner was also gay, but I don't remember if they ever introduced his partner.
He married the guy who played his co-host on fernwood tonight
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?The L Word ran for 6 seasons, about 20 years ago. Wiki link
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Adding to add:
Star Trek: Discovery is not old, but has great LGBTQ representation.
Take My Wife (2016) “A show about lesbians who are married, staying actual lesbians who are married, and no one gets breast cancer!” They have since divorced. Both main characters are stand up comics irl.
And speaking of stand up comics starting semi autobiographical sitcoms, One Mississippi (2015) is very good.
Tig Notaro.Speaking of Tig, the Handsome podcast with Fortune Fiemster and Mae Martin is great.
Speaking of Mae, Feel Good is not old, and we’ll not make you feel good, but it’s a semi autobiographical drama series about a bisexual comedian.
Watching Star Trek: Discovery is a waste of time though
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?When I was a teenager (early 2010s era) I was so desesperate to find some lesbian representation and visibility, and then I watched a lot of lesbian movies. Here are some movies I watched back then :
TIPPING THE VELVET - Sarah Waters (2002)
The movie that every lesbian was watching at the beginning of our century. Sarah Waters also made FINGERSMITH , which is the movie that inspired "the Handmaiden".BOUND - The Wachowski sisters (1996)
A wonderful mafia lesbian movie.SAVING FACE - Alice Wu (2004)
Lesbian and POC representation ! yay !BUT I'M A CHEERLEADER - Jamie Babbit (1999)
A comedy about conversion therapy. Yes.THE WATERMELON WOMAN - Cheryl Dunye (1996)
This one was on my watching list, but I didn't found a cracked version back then. It's lesbian & Black representation, that must be awesome to watch.ROOM IN ROME - Julio Medem (2013)
A movie about a casual lesbian sex story : how a powerful relationship can emerge from one night stands... That was interesting but I think I was too young to fully appreciate this kind of subject.GIGOLA - Laure Charpentier (2011)
A movie about lesbian sex work in the early 20th century Paris.CIRCUMSTANCE - Maryam Keshavarz (2011)
Keshavarz also made the recent queer movie "The Persian version". Both are great.I hope that could help you
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Watching Star Trek: Discovery is a waste of time though
All tv is a waste of time, that’s kind of the point. But congrats on your super hot take.
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All tv is a waste of time, that’s kind of the point. But congrats on your super hot take.
Discovery is a waste of time in the sense that it's not entertaining.
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Discovery is a waste of time in the sense that it's not entertaining.
The ending wasn’t great, I’ll give you that. But people who can’t scroll past the word discovery without shitting on it nearly always have let’s say, more demographically related reasons for their opinions.
I notice you contributed nothing to this conversation. Did you come here specifically looking for DISCO to share your enlightening opinions?
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When I was a teenager (early 2010s era) I was so desesperate to find some lesbian representation and visibility, and then I watched a lot of lesbian movies. Here are some movies I watched back then :
TIPPING THE VELVET - Sarah Waters (2002)
The movie that every lesbian was watching at the beginning of our century. Sarah Waters also made FINGERSMITH , which is the movie that inspired "the Handmaiden".BOUND - The Wachowski sisters (1996)
A wonderful mafia lesbian movie.SAVING FACE - Alice Wu (2004)
Lesbian and POC representation ! yay !BUT I'M A CHEERLEADER - Jamie Babbit (1999)
A comedy about conversion therapy. Yes.THE WATERMELON WOMAN - Cheryl Dunye (1996)
This one was on my watching list, but I didn't found a cracked version back then. It's lesbian & Black representation, that must be awesome to watch.ROOM IN ROME - Julio Medem (2013)
A movie about a casual lesbian sex story : how a powerful relationship can emerge from one night stands... That was interesting but I think I was too young to fully appreciate this kind of subject.GIGOLA - Laure Charpentier (2011)
A movie about lesbian sex work in the early 20th century Paris.CIRCUMSTANCE - Maryam Keshavarz (2011)
Keshavarz also made the recent queer movie "The Persian version". Both are great.I hope that could help you
(and also, hello everybody, this is my first post !)THANK YOU!
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It’s a wild and ridiculous show. Lots of fun to watch. It’s one of those rare shows that’s led almost entirely by women, and has incredibly raunchy humor.
I will always treasure the episode where the someone is explaining how their life was ruined by finding their prom date having sex with someone else during the party, and Wynonna realizing the someone else was with her.
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I wouldn't call RWBY a good example. First, it goes downhill after season 3. Second, the relationship you're referring to was only added in due to fans continually demanding it just from the two merely looking at each other in season 1.
And before you start to argue the second point: Monty Oum created the show. If you want a leg to stand on, go find evidence of him claiming the relationship was intended from the start. And please don't give me a quote from Miles Luna, he's the one that drove the show into the ground
It was a simple suggestion. If you don’t agree, fine.
I enjoyed the show… I am not politically invested in it. Nor do I care to argue about it. I don’t know shit about what you’re referring too.
Take your rage out on someone else.
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?wrote last edited by [email protected]The Simpsons is the oldest running show I know of that had a lesbian character. Patty or Selma. Always forget which is which, tho. And the thing with the episode where they came out always stuck with me more due to the fact that Marge became almost a totally different character who abhorred the idea that her sister was gay.
And also maybe Mimi from The Drew Carrey Show. She married Drew's brother, who was possibly trans (they were at the very least a transvestite/crossdresser who did drag shows). I could imagine the character would have been unambiguously trans if the show aired today, making them a lesbian couple.
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?I'm not sure if it represents you, but this show used to have me laughing tears:
