Dutch people try to stop asylum seekers with own border controls at German border
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You’re right, it didn’t come out of thin air, it’s a sustained fearmongering campaign by the far-right parties to scare dumb people into voting against their own interests.
And how exactly, is voting for a stricter asylum policy, voting against one’s selfinterest?
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And how exactly, is voting for a stricter asylum policy, voting against one’s selfinterest?
If they solved the crisis, they’d lose their voters. There is no incentive to solve it.
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Personally, i think we (i’m Dutch) need to at the very least, consider rethinking our “asiel beleid”. This unhappyness is not something that came out of thin air. This asylum policy has been an issue for many years, and our government fails to address it every time.
But ordinary citizens should not play for law makers and law enforcers. Thats a very dangerous and slippery path we’re on
Seeking asylum obviously isn’t the issue - xenophobia and many years of propaganda by Wilders / PVV are.
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And how exactly, is voting for a stricter asylum policy, voting against one’s selfinterest?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Because those that shout the racist politics are also doing all the policies for the rich. Are you rich? Otherwise they are not pushing policies that benefit you, except you don't see people of different color when you leave your house.
If that is more important to you than education, science, environment, health, culture and many others.... than you are likely simply a racist =D -
If they solved the crisis, they’d lose their voters. There is no incentive to solve it.
Fair enough. But the same could be said for all parties.
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Because those that shout the racist politics are also doing all the policies for the rich. Are you rich? Otherwise they are not pushing policies that benefit you, except you don't see people of different color when you leave your house.
If that is more important to you than education, science, environment, health, culture and many others.... than you are likely simply a racist =Dwrote on last edited by [email protected]I’m not rich. Nor do i vote for populist screamers. My view is, that everyone is making a mess of it. Wether it’s the right or the left.
I love how my comments get downvoted. There’s a lot more stupidity then just those that vote for Wilders.
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Seeking asylum obviously isn’t the issue - xenophobia and many years of propaganda by Wilders / PVV are.
And what exactly is feeding this xenophobia? Exactly. People are unhappy with asylum policy. And it’s not just far-right extremists at this point.
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And what exactly is feeding this xenophobia? Exactly. People are unhappy with asylum policy. And it’s not just far-right extremists at this point.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]People have fallen victim to the wilders narrative. Wouldn’t it help to take a deep breath, a step back and look at the data… for instance, the number of asylum seekers is going down (for many different reasons, eg frontex has put up a formidable wall, and the conflicts in Syria and Afghanistan stopped etc), but the right wing and populism are on the rise. I can understand this causes confusion but the danger to Dutch (or European) democracy is now coming from another direction: rightwing extremist terror is increasing. That’s what the statistics and data clearly show. The way Wilders toppled the government was a disgrace, this guy is not a statesman but a Trump-like charlatan, hobnobbing it with Le Pen, orban, Meloni - all anti-democrats.
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I’m not rich. Nor do i vote for populist screamers. My view is, that everyone is making a mess of it. Wether it’s the right or the left.
I love how my comments get downvoted. There’s a lot more stupidity then just those that vote for Wilders.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Your comments are downvoted because you are legitimizing racism. Also, feel free not to call others "stupid".
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Your comments are downvoted because you are legitimizing racism. Also, feel free not to call others "stupid".
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Nowhere have i said its okay to be racist. You really shouldn’t put words in people’s mouth. In my original post i said that we need to rethink our policies. Thats quite different from beeing racist.
And also, if people already label me a racist, then why not enjoy it while i can.
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People have fallen victim to the wilders narrative. Wouldn’t it help to take a deep breath, a step back and look at the data… for instance, the number of asylum seekers is going down (for many different reasons, eg frontex has put up a formidable wall, and the conflicts in Syria and Afghanistan stopped etc), but the right wing and populism are on the rise. I can understand this causes confusion but the danger to Dutch (or European) democracy is now coming from another direction: rightwing extremist terror is increasing. That’s what the statistics and data clearly show. The way Wilders toppled the government was a disgrace, this guy is not a statesman but a Trump-like charlatan, hobnobbing it with Le Pen, orban, Meloni - all anti-democrats.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I never voted for wilders, and i never will. As far as i’m concerned hes just a grown baby who wants to do nothing but throw tantrums.
But it isnt just wilder’s fault. Before wilders we had pim fortuyn. And before that we had… well i’m not sure i was too young then
but the point is, xenophobia has always been there. It’s the main reason for WW2. And you can’t solve that problem by screaming “YOUR. RACIST!!1!”.Perhaps thats even part of the problem. The left keeps screaming everyone’s a racist who don’t agree with them. The right keeps screaming every asylum seeker gets our jobs and our housing. And there’s noone who presents the data in a clear, concise way.
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Nowhere have i said its okay to be racist. You really shouldn’t put words in people’s mouth. In my original post i said that we need to rethink our policies. Thats quite different from beeing racist.
And also, if people already label me a racist, then why not enjoy it while i can.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You're actually putting words in my mouth. Interesting. I said your line of argumentation legitimizes racism. I.e., it portrays this anti-immigrant push as something rational which it really isn't. It's based in humans being flawed in their pattern recognition, they easily identify people with the wrong kind of beard but they have a very hard time finding out who systematically takes away their rights.
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You're actually putting words in my mouth. Interesting. I said your line of argumentation legitimizes racism. I.e., it portrays this anti-immigrant push as something rational which it really isn't. It's based in humans being flawed in their pattern recognition, they easily identify people with the wrong kind of beard but they have a very hard time finding out who systematically takes away their rights.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No, it does not.
I find it bezarre that rethinking a policy, in some people’s mind is the same as legalizing racism. Really bizarre.
Thats the problem with modern day politics. Either you’re left or right. There’s no in between anymore.
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On Saturday and Sunday nights, a group of Dutch citizens gathered at the border between Ter Apel and Rütenbrock in Germany with the intention of performing their own border controls and stopping asylum seekers from entering the Netherlands.
every country would be better if shitty people like this could be kicked out. though there is no place to kick them to.
because of people like this, i'd rather stay and die with my belongings if war ever came to my country. Its awful world to seek asylum anywhere.
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On Saturday and Sunday nights, a group of Dutch citizens gathered at the border between Ter Apel and Rütenbrock in Germany with the intention of performing their own border controls and stopping asylum seekers from entering the Netherlands.
it is illegal to stop cars in this way on your own initiative. It is also illegal to prevent an asylum seeker from seeking asylum,
PVV leader Geert Wilders called the citizens’ border controls a “fantastic initiative” that should happen “everywhere at the border.”
Far right racist politician supporting highly illegal citizen stops. That should be an instant ban from parliament.
Wilders toppled the Schoof I Cabinet last week, saying the government was taking too long to implement the strictest asylum policy yet, as promised when it took office. Wilders failed to mention that it was PVV Minister Marjolein Faber of Asylum and Migration who was responsible for implementing said policy.
This is something extremely common in far right racist politics. They always blame others so they can ask for more power.
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On Saturday and Sunday nights, a group of Dutch citizens gathered at the border between Ter Apel and Rütenbrock in Germany with the intention of performing their own border controls and stopping asylum seekers from entering the Netherlands.
Well, in Germany the chancellor is ordering the illegal border stops and continuing them despite courts ordering him to stop.
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And what exactly is feeding this xenophobia? Exactly. People are unhappy with asylum policy. And it’s not just far-right extremists at this point.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The main problem is the dissolution of the state care (verzorgingsstaat). People are unhappy because of rising prices, uncertainty of their future and inability to get a home.
It's easy to get mad at 'foreigners' that get here and just 'get a home' like that. Populists really exploit that anger, while people should be mad at 13 years of liberal rule destroying certainties we've built up over decades.
If everybody would feel like their basic needs are covered, they could feel more welcoming to foreigners, as if there's plenty to go around it's easier to share.
But people get cajoled into thinking that the foreigner is their enemy, whilst the true source of their discontent is the vvd not caring about citizens but about fat, polluting and corrupting businesses, like BlackRock that got free reign to speculate on our housing market.
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every country would be better if shitty people like this could be kicked out. though there is no place to kick them to.
because of people like this, i'd rather stay and die with my belongings if war ever came to my country. Its awful world to seek asylum anywhere.
every country would be better if shitty people like this could be kicked out. though there is no place to kick them to.
because of people like this, i’d rather stay and die with my belongings if war ever came to my country. Its awful world to seek asylum anywhere.
We're all just people and some of us have shitty ideas. The people can't go anywhere, there's just this one planet. The ideas can change, it's just very, very hard.
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Personally, i think we (i’m Dutch) need to at the very least, consider rethinking our “asiel beleid”. This unhappyness is not something that came out of thin air. This asylum policy has been an issue for many years, and our government fails to address it every time.
But ordinary citizens should not play for law makers and law enforcers. Thats a very dangerous and slippery path we’re on
This asylum policy has been an issue for many years, and our government fails to address it every time.
What's the issue arising from the current asylum policy?
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every country would be better if shitty people like this could be kicked out. though there is no place to kick them to.
because of people like this, i’d rather stay and die with my belongings if war ever came to my country. Its awful world to seek asylum anywhere.
We're all just people and some of us have shitty ideas. The people can't go anywhere, there's just this one planet. The ideas can change, it's just very, very hard.
yea, i just wish those people would be on the receiving end of their own shittyness for change. Some seem incapable of empathy unless exactly same thing happens to them.
