Zelensky says he doesn't think he did anything wrong after public spat with Trump
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If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it.
Zelensky is interested in public support.
There doesn't even have to be an agenda. It's a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.
If he wouldn't have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.
Trump does the press conference before talks. Remember Justin Trudeau got caught on a hot mic for making fun of him for doing this.
The Agreement Zelenskyy was there to sign was never signed, because this all went down before that could happen.
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Yeah, just like they would complain if he did wear a suit. There's just no winning with these guys.
Every foreign dignitary who visits the White House should wear a tan suit just for fun.
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I think that was a reference to this A former KGB officer alleged Donald Trump was enlisted by the KGB in 1987 and was given the codename "Krasnov".
Oh. OK, cool, I thought the "Soviet agent" thing was more against Biden (he was openly using his welcome in Moscow in his younger years) than against Trump, but covert connections are more meaningful than open connections.
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That guy is Brian Glenn. He's a host on "Real America's Voice", a right-wing to far-right station and the boyfriend of Marjory Taylor Greene.
The attending "press" has been pre-selected and it's not a stretch to assume that these people know what's expected of them. The narrative is that not wearing a suit is a sign of disrespect. When Trump greeted Zelensky in the beginning he also made a remark about it.
Since I don't watch I can only presume that they give equal time to Musk's disrespect then, too.
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What's happening is the US is negotiating with Russia without involving Ukraine. Not too dissimilar from European powers negotiating with Hitler over German claims on Czechoslovakia without Czechoslovakia being part of the negotiations. We know how that ended.
When Trump and Putin reach an agreement (without consideration for Ukraine) they make some bold claim similar to "Peace for our time" and expect everyone to go along with it. When that happens, Ukraine can ignore the agreement and continue fighting, but if too many countries buy Trump's version of "Peace for our time" then Ukraine could be considered the bad guy because they're not agreeing to end the war.
But after this? Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine. Any "peace plan" promoted by Trump will be known to be all about appeasing Putin and be rightly ignored by everyone. Trump's WWIII comment made it clear that Trump is afraid of Putin, nobody will respect anything he says about Ukraine going forward.
Putin is not Hitler. I'm not saying it's not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it's a different problem.
Putin's regime is not capable of growing power. It's only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they'd turn out a similar failure as Putin's Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don't know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.
Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine.
That's not true, but suppose it were.
If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.
If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.
Then maybe Trump's "deal" just shows it.
I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians ... to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.
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A White House official told Axios that Zelensky's interview on Fox was insufficient. "He keeps insisting on security guarantees on this economic deal, and we've made clear that won't be part of this," the official said.
Yeah doh! If we give you actually security guarantees how are we going to let Putin invite you again next year?
You can't have everything zelenski! We can, and we want, but you can't.
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Yeah, I though Zelensky did a decent job of managing his emotions. Most of us would have popped Trump in the mouth before that had ended. (And WTF was up with that guy asking if Zelensky owned a suit? That should have been an automatic throat punch.)
Being an American is embarrassing right now. My apologies to the rest of the world. We're a dumpster fire.The answer to the suit question should have been like, "Russia destroyed my suit and Ukraine's tailors are too busy sewing up wounds to spend time making a new one."
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Putin is not Hitler. I'm not saying it's not a problem to be solved, having taken many lives and taking more, but it's a different problem.
Putin's regime is not capable of growing power. It's only capable of capturing more power. While ultimately similar inability made Nazis weak, they were capable of modernizing industries and rebuilding the military. Maybe if it were done slowly over 30 years instead of 5 years, they'd turn out a similar failure as Putin's Russia, having corrupted Germany enough to reduce its danger. We don't know, since they outright started killing people, putting them into prison camps and marching with knives on the streets.
Every country in the world has reiterated their support for Ukraine.
That's not true, but suppose it were.
If all those countries sent soldiers and equipment to Ukraine, that is, declared war on Russia, it would be over.
If they are not doing this, then what they are actually doing is the degree of real support.
Then maybe Trump's "deal" just shows it.
I think enough conscripted Ukrainians have already died, and everyone talking against such deal, be it even capitulation, should wish for Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, Italians ... to be conscripted to that frontline to end the war. Or admit they just want some Ukrainians to die for their feeling of justice they have in their safe cozy life.
What are you talking about? NATO air power alone (even without the US) would absolutely demolish what's left of the Russian military. Why are you talking about conscription in NATO countries?
Besides that, if Russia had its way we'd all wind up being conscripted into Putin's army and sent into the meat grinder for the sake of his imperial ambitions.
I think you need to take a break from Russian state media for a few hours, you're currently living in a bizarro fantasy world and are unable to have a conversation with people living in the real world.
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As an American, he did not. I'm sure he felt like he was in bizarro land where he acts perfectly reasonable and everyone around him is fucking crazy. That's how all us non-MAGAts feel too.
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I'm worried America won't be alone for long. Other countries have fascists to deal with too.
If we resist them, we save the world. If we fail, the new world order will be Nazis everywhere.
They're not alone - they're already on Russia's side.
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Well, he did try to play chess with a pigeon. I don't know what he was expecting, but at least he made Trump seem like an asshole and a fool.
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that dude is marjorie taylor green's husband
That really does explain a lot. People (and I use that term very loosely here) like that should be launched into orbit and fucking left there to think about what they've done.
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Technically he's the first one to say something clearly out of protocol (of course Trump and Vance said a lot of irritating things), but countries don't break alliances over such things, and they've had a lot of time to discuss something without cameras, so it's simply a prepared scene.
I just don't know what's this supposed to illustrate. If it's a scene by Trump&Vance to "justify" drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it. If it's a scene by Zelensky, then what in the world would he gain by it. If it's a mutually agreed scene, then, again, see previous.
You cannot come up with a reason for Zelenski to play along in this "scripted interview", yet you're convinced it was actually planned? Isn't there a way simpler explanation here, given the two idiots he was sitting next to?
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Well, he did try to play chess with a pigeon. I don't know what he was expecting, but at least he made Trump seem like an asshole and a fool.
He made Trump seem like an asshole yes. And that's why he's cooked . Trump is not going to support Ukraine going forward because Zelensky made him look bad. You have to appeal to the child to get anything from him.
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As an American I think he did…. He forgot to slap Trump in the face.
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He made Trump seem like an asshole yes. And that's why he's cooked . Trump is not going to support Ukraine going forward because Zelensky made him look bad. You have to appeal to the child to get anything from him.
There was no amount of flattery that was going to get Trump to oppose his Russian masters. The best thing Zelenskyy can do is make it clear that Trump is foolish for not backing Ukraine. It wins him points with European leaders who get to choose between backing Zelenskyy or following a fool and it increases the odds of getting a more favorable outlook from the US in 2-4 years as political tides shift (assuming the US continues holding a semblance of fair elections in the next 2-4 years)
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As an American I think he did…. He forgot to slap Trump in the face.
I understand why he didn't, obviously, but the whole time I watched that happen all I could think was, "PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE"
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It was an ambush. The only thing he did wrong was walk into it. Have to give him credit for being willing to take risks to save his country.
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It was an ambush. The only thing he did wrong was walk into it. Have to give him credit for being willing to take risks to save his country.
That is who he is..
The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride
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The answer to the suit question should have been like, "Russia destroyed my suit and Ukraine's tailors are too busy sewing up wounds to spend time making a new one."
I think his actual reply was even better
