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[Louis Rossmann] Brother turns heel & becomes anti-consumer printer company

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  • dirk@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

    Always has been like that.

    Not one single corporation is your friend or wants to be. All they want is your money. No exceptions.

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    Companies were never our friends, but it used to be the case that companies sold products. They sold a product and you got to use it and that was the end of it.

    Now instead, thanks largely to the Internet, companies barely care about 'product' at all and instead are all trying to get in on that gravy train of monetised data slurping, subscription models, DRM on every consumable, firmware updates that change the terms on you after the fact, and so on. Every electronic thing in your home is now super hostile to you.

    TVs, printers, fridges. These products used to be just products, but now they are trojan horses.

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      enshitification of technological things continues..

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        "Bröther, please dö nöt becöme anti-cönsümer!"

        "I töö yearn för the cöntrölled mönöpöly, thë ensittificätiön, the röt ecönömy!"

        "Brother..."

        "I'm leäving töö müch möney on thë täblë! We also hävë öür men Ëlön Müsk as thë shädöw prësidënt, Trümp ïs jüst hïs, ör räthër - öür püppët. Hë wïll dïsmänlë äll cönsümër prötëctïons, as thëy're in thë wäy öf öür pröfits."

        "Bröthër... Plëäsë rëcönsïdër!"

        "Änd whät ärë yöü gönnä dö if not? Go tö thë cönsümer prötection agencies Ëlön Müsk's DÖGË jüst dïsmäntlëd? Üse an öld HP LaserJet until yöü cän get repläcemënt rollers för it? You know öther parts öf it cän brëäk töö."

        "Bröther... You became... ËVÏL! You betrayed EVERYTHING you previously stood for!"

        "And Ï wïll dö it as mäny tïmes as nëëded. Ëvil? It's jüst büsïnëss. Mäybë yöü shöüld hävë rëcönsïdërëd yöür vötë för Trümp."

        "Bröther... Büt thë tränsës hävë cäncëlled Pikamëë för thë wïzärd gämë! The wökenëss häve been deströying the gäme ïndüstry! I nëëded tö vötë för Dönäld Trümp! Why isn't it wörkïng äs ït wäs süppösëd tö!"

        "Yöü vötëd ägäïnst yöür cläss interest öut öf püre hatred. I like ït vërÿ müch! Yöü knöw önë rëäsön she wäs älsö cäncelled wäs düë tö lölï? Ï dön't think Pröjëct 2025 wïll ällöw it för sö löng düë tö tötäl pörn ban!"

        "PLEÄSE BRÖTHËR, NÖT THE LÖLÏ! PLEÄSE LET ME KEEP THË CÜTË ÄND FÜNNŸ!"

        "Yöü vöted against yöür class interest, yöür personal interest... hahahahahaHAAHAHAHAHAAAA! Yöür sö fünny! Ÿöü'rë thë përfëct vötër för më! Ÿöü'rë thë përfëct cönsümër ëvën! Töö dümb tö rëälïzë äll thë pöliticäl wörkings aröünd yöürself. Änd when anything göes wröng, yöü bläme the minörities öf this söciety. Nöw get exited för Bröther AI, a sübscriptiön service which is essentiäl för öperating the printer! Get ready för price hikes! Get ready för shörter lasting printers!"

        "You're truly despicable bröther!"

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          You sctuallly can’t sell third-party printers legally, because all printers will include an ink fingerprint which can be traced back to that specific printer. So if someone prints a ransom note, the FBI will be knocking on their door by the end of the day.

          There’s literally a certification process to be allowed to sell printers, and one of the biggest criteria for that certification is agreeing to maintain that fingerprint database. The issue is that this certification process also ensures there’s a de facto near monopoly on printers, which leads to BS like HP making it increasingly difficult to use affordable ink. They can be blatantly anti-consumer, because they’re protected from any competition.

          There’s a reason HP hasn’t already been priced out by some cheap Chinese competitor who is able to undercut the competition. And it’s not because of the difficulty in manufacturing or the price of components. It’s because no other companies are allowed to sell printers.

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          You make it sound like a huge conspiracy but there are laws and regulations around everything you try to sell, especially for electronics.

          You also have to do EMF radiation testing, ensure that your printer doesn't produce toxic aerosols or fumes, and probably a bunch of other things to prove that your product is safe. I don't see why the fingerprinting isn't just another thing on the list of things you have to do to be in compliance with the rules. If your company is capable of producing something as complex as a printer, encoding the device' serial number into a bunch of yellow microdots that you add to the printout shouldn't be an issue.

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            You sctuallly can’t sell third-party printers legally, because all printers will include an ink fingerprint which can be traced back to that specific printer. So if someone prints a ransom note, the FBI will be knocking on their door by the end of the day.

            There’s literally a certification process to be allowed to sell printers, and one of the biggest criteria for that certification is agreeing to maintain that fingerprint database. The issue is that this certification process also ensures there’s a de facto near monopoly on printers, which leads to BS like HP making it increasingly difficult to use affordable ink. They can be blatantly anti-consumer, because they’re protected from any competition.

            There’s a reason HP hasn’t already been priced out by some cheap Chinese competitor who is able to undercut the competition. And it’s not because of the difficulty in manufacturing or the price of components. It’s because no other companies are allowed to sell printers.

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            May I have the legal text, of any country, requiring a certification to sell any printers, or have EURion contellation dection implemented, or legally required to implement tracking dots?

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            • deceptichum@quokk.auD [email protected]

              Damn, Brother was the only company left I was happy to blind purchase from by name alone.

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              Brother's been anti-consumer for at least 5 years now. Not sure why people are just learning about it now.

              Brother blocking 3rd party toner was the primary reason why I went with Canon back in 2020.

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              • xnx@slrpnk.netX [email protected]

                Isn’t prusa now doing anti consumer / closed source stuff?

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                Aren't you confusing them with Bambu?

                Their slicer is based on Prusa's exactly because Prusa isn't doing closed source.

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                  This kinda shit makes me glad I don't own a printer.

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                    Go with a bottle printer, or at least a laser. Cartridges suck, literally.

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                      Now i had to put on the in-ears, hook up to phone to.... listen to a guy talking. -_-

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                      • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.deE [email protected]

                        You make it sound like a huge conspiracy but there are laws and regulations around everything you try to sell, especially for electronics.

                        You also have to do EMF radiation testing, ensure that your printer doesn't produce toxic aerosols or fumes, and probably a bunch of other things to prove that your product is safe. I don't see why the fingerprinting isn't just another thing on the list of things you have to do to be in compliance with the rules. If your company is capable of producing something as complex as a printer, encoding the device' serial number into a bunch of yellow microdots that you add to the printout shouldn't be an issue.

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                        ensure that your printer doesn't produce toxic aerosols or fumes

                        But they do? I literally got sick after i spent a day in a small room with a big office printer. And each printer makes my skin itchy, if printing in close proximity.

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                          There is a piece of software which will take a word document and convert it into an embossed 3D print file. So you could always just skip the middleman and 3D print yourself a plaque version of your document instead.

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                          Just print it, roll some ink on it and slap a sheet of paper on top. There you go, printing 2.0 or something.

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                            PRET - Printer Exploitation Toolkit

                            Collection of scripts to aid in reverse-engineering of HP OfficeJet printers and others

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                              It's funny how far ahead 3d printers are in terms of consumer experience, everything is open, everything works and the tech is like 300 times more complex.

                              2D printer companies should be shamed to death.

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                              2D printers used to be like this.
                              They all worked with open, universal drivers, no additional software, and any ink cartridge that fit inside the bay.
                              But then companies figured out that people will just buy the cheapest printer on offer, regardless of everything else.

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                              • anunusualrelic@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                Just print it, roll some ink on it and slap a sheet of paper on top. There you go, printing 2.0 or something.

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                                That sounds like a 15th century printing press with extra steps.

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                                • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                                  We need an open source RepRap printer. Like, I wonder if this thing could be reverse engineered, given they still make the ink cartridge/head units for it.

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                                  What we actually need is to stop fucking printing.
                                  We need a foldable A3 size e-ink reader that you can use like a folder.

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                                    That sounds like a 15th century printing press with extra steps.

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                                    Kind of, but with less wood and a lot more micro plastics. That's how you can tell it's modern.

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                                      Kind of, but with less wood and a lot more micro plastics. That's how you can tell it's modern.

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                                      I used to have wood a lot more often, before microplastics.

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                                        This kinda shit makes me glad I don't own a printer.

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                                        That gives a whole new twist to "you'll own nothing and be happy"

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                                          That gives a whole new twist to "you'll own nothing and be happy"

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                                          Fucking hell that sums up my life surprisingly well actually.

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