Kitty Terminal 0.40.0 introduces the Text Sizing Protocol: "multiple font sizes ... in a backwards compatible, opt-in way"
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I'm waiting for the day when these enhanced terminals go full GUI and mouse driven.
Wait, are we moving on from vim vs emacs?
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That exception is my primary use case for tmux, so that explains it.
Kitty can do multiplexing over ssh as well. If you have kitty installed on the remote, you can use Kitty's builtin ssh wrapper and get a lot of useful features.
https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/kittens/ssh/#opt-kitten-ssh.forward_remote_control
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Kitty can do multiplexing over ssh as well. If you have kitty installed on the remote, you can use Kitty's builtin ssh wrapper and get a lot of useful features.
https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/kittens/ssh/#opt-kitten-ssh.forward_remote_control
Don't tend to have a terminal emulator of any kind installed on remote boxes. They're headless.
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Don't tend to have a terminal emulator of any kind installed on remote boxes. They're headless.
I generally don't either, but I do install one when using a terminal that has multiplexing. The ssh multiplexing daemon is part of the kitty binary, so it needs to be installed to work. Not really different than installing Tmux on one.
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Thanks, I hate it
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Glad to hear about the "opt in".
Partially blind guy here who struggles to use computers these days because EVERYTHING IS FREAKING TEENY TINY TEXT YOU CAN'T CHANGE ESPECIALLY MOBILE AAAAAH IT HURTS.
Ahem.
Yes I'm a bit bitter
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with kitty you can open a new terminal session that sets it's cwd to the remote directory of the server you're ssh'd into. Honestly the only thing I can think of that termux can do that kitty can't is saving sessions
& abduco can work if you only need attach/detach
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I recently switched from alacritty to ghostty as I wanted image support as ghostty implements the kitty protocol for it. Ghostty seems as fast as alacrity to me, but with better support. It even has a tmux type replacement, although I haven't used it as I don't need it with sway doing that for me.
Ghostty is fast? It takes like 2 full seconds to open and I'm not even exaggerating. Kitty, Alacritty and foot take only a few microseconds to launch. I feel the same in regards to Alacritty, I'd use it as default if it had image support. For now I'm using foot.
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Images in the terminal? At that point you're just reinventing the GUI.
How am I supposed to get previews working in Yazi then? It's not 1969 anymore. If you don't like it stay on tty.
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Ghostty is fast? It takes like 2 full seconds to open and I'm not even exaggerating. Kitty, Alacritty and foot take only a few microseconds to launch. I feel the same in regards to Alacritty, I'd use it as default if it had image support. For now I'm using foot.
Something wrong there, Ghostty is just as quick for me. Are you using an older PC?
Both load for me in milliseconds, even with fastfetch stuck in my startup.
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Something wrong there, Ghostty is just as quick for me. Are you using an older PC?
Both load for me in milliseconds, even with fastfetch stuck in my startup.
Don't know about old but definitely not slow. My PC has a ryzen 3600 and RTX 3060. All terminals have a fast startup time except for Ghostty.
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Glad to hear about the "opt in".
Partially blind guy here who struggles to use computers these days because EVERYTHING IS FREAKING TEENY TINY TEXT YOU CAN'T CHANGE ESPECIALLY MOBILE AAAAAH IT HURTS.
Ahem.
Yes I'm a bit bitter
Another thing is that the standard does not allow setting an absolute size.. so someone setting a size that's 3/2 of normal size would still be relatively big if your normal size is big.
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Don't know about old but definitely not slow. My PC has a ryzen 3600 and RTX 3060. All terminals have a fast startup time except for Ghostty.
ryzen 5 3600
Yeah thats what I would call old now, lol.
There is 100% something wrong with your Ghostty.
Heres a shitty gif I made to show you how fast Ghostty, Alacritty and Konsole is on my PC, all way less than a second and I am running a ton of background crap including different 4k animated wallpapers.
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How am I supposed to get previews working in Yazi then? It's not 1969 anymore. If you don't like it stay on tty.
I just don't see the advantage of shoehorning graphics backwards into text interfaces when we've got an entire integrated graphical desktop.
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I recently switched from alacritty to ghostty as I wanted image support as ghostty implements the kitty protocol for it. Ghostty seems as fast as alacrity to me, but with better support. It even has a tmux type replacement, although I haven't used it as I don't need it with sway doing that for me.
Why not just use kitty? Just curious.
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ryzen 5 3600
Yeah thats what I would call old now, lol.
There is 100% something wrong with your Ghostty.
Heres a shitty gif I made to show you how fast Ghostty, Alacritty and Konsole is on my PC, all way less than a second and I am running a ton of background crap including different 4k animated wallpapers.
GifThat's not old, definitely not for a terminal atleast.
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Why not just use kitty? Just curious.
Its a bit slower than Alacritty for my use case, not massively enough, but enough to put me off. The extra functionality such as its TMUX stuff I just do not need. I think if you want a more fully featured terminal, particularly if you do a lot of code writing in the terminal, then I would pick Kitty.
I only really do quick remote editing in the console so its not important for me, and I do not want TMUX as I use a tiling WM. Terminal launch speed is particularly important to me because of this.
I haven't tried foot yet, that is meant to be good for wayland and as I use Sway it might be better fit. I would need to get frustrated with Ghostty before I could be bothered to switch, which is what happened to me with Alacritty over image support, shallow as that sounds.
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That's not old, definitely not for a terminal atleast.
Its six years old, that's starting to get on a bit now for a processor that was never anywhere near top of the line from AMD when it was new.
I think if you are trying to bling our your desktop and not expecting it to impact performance from an older, less powerful setup then generally speaking you are going to have a bad time. You should be pitching your desktop experience based on what your hardware can handle, there are plenty of terminal options available depending on what you need, just like there are plenty of WM/DMs if you have a lower spec machine.
Having said that, it was pretty damn obvious that there something wrong with ghostty on their setup, and its misleading to say that ghostly is just bad because of that.
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Its six years old, that's starting to get on a bit now for a processor that was never anywhere near top of the line from AMD when it was new.
I think if you are trying to bling our your desktop and not expecting it to impact performance from an older, less powerful setup then generally speaking you are going to have a bad time. You should be pitching your desktop experience based on what your hardware can handle, there are plenty of terminal options available depending on what you need, just like there are plenty of WM/DMs if you have a lower spec machine.
Having said that, it was pretty damn obvious that there something wrong with ghostty on their setup, and its misleading to say that ghostly is just bad because of that.
expecting it to impact performance from an older, less powerful setup then generally speaking you are going to have a bad time
It's a terminal. If it's not good enough for 3600 maybe it's just not good. I don't have 3600 btw.
Probably, it might be a on off issue.
