Wayland has a bright future ahead: The move from Xorg to Wayland had a rough start, but things have improved, and there is an exciting roadmap for the future.
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hard disagree about the permissions. If I want to run closed source programs like games, discord, zoom or whatever, I like knowing they can't log all my keys, take screenshots or even run their own version of windows recall without my explicit permission
hard disagree. if your software is missing baaic functions, you shut up about roles and permissions or even force that crap on others.
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Not sure if it was a kde issue or a wayland issue, but I tried it last year and had trouble with cursor locking.
Virtualbox had issues with the input being intermittent, and my mouse would move off the screen while gaming.
It might be fixed now, but I don't plan on trying it again for another few years, because what I'm using works for me.
the cursor locking still happens in a handful of games for me - most work perfectly fine but sometimes i do end up running something with gamescope with the --force-grab-cursor argument to fix it.
this is when running games with either steam or wine/bottles/lutris.
strange that it happens in virualbox, i would think it "virtualizing" an entire display would fix issues like that. does virtualbox itself "grab" the cursor, or allow it to go off the screen by default? sorry i don't really know virtualbox, never used it much
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Yeah it's at the point where i'm wondering if i still even need xorg. I'm still keeping it around just in case for now, but i could very easily purge it from my system anytime since i'm using nixos and all my xorg related settings are in a specific file. The main pet peeve i have with wayland is gaming related, and should hopefully improve when wine and proton go native wayland. I have a dual monitor setup and games always choose the wrong monitor by default, which means i can only use the resolution and refreshrate of the secondary monitor. I have a keybind to set the primary xwayland monitor with xrandr, which solves the problem, but it is a bit hacky. I also need to toggle vrr on and off with a keybind because it causes flickering on my monitor. It's a bit annoying but atleast it works, on xorg you can't even use vrr with multi monitor to begin with.
Have you tried running your games with gamescope?
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Have you tried running your games with gamescope?
I think it does work, but from my understanding when nested inside another wayland session, thing like vrr don't work, which brings me back to the xorg problem, but my current workaround works for me, so now it's just a matter of hoping it will improve and become less tedious.
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Your point is that it is still rough and then you bring up a bunch of stuff that is no longer an issue.
NVIDIA in particular is basically a solved problem with both explicit sync and open source kernel modules as the default from NVIDIA themselves.
Rustdesk and Waypipe are probably going to eat into your billion dollars (and network transparency laments).
As stated in the article, opt-out vsync is already a thing (though not widely implemented yet).
I have not used GNOME in a while but KDE on Wayland is great. And the roadmap certainly looks a lot nicer than xorg’s.
I was on a video call in Wayland an hour ago. I shared my screen.
If that is your full list, I think you just made the case that Wayland is in good shape.
Last I tried Rustdesk (two days ago) it was a buggy, glitchy mess and the shared screen was tearing immensely. Is that recent or did it use to be better?
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Something similar happens to me on my desktop (debian 13) - it goes black then brings me back to the login screen. But in my case it's probably the nvidia drivers (proprietary). Not certain, though. Still happy on X11 for the meantime.
I'm running Bazzite on KDE Wayland with the proprietary Nvidia drivers just fine. I think you've got another issue causing this.
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I might switch to wayland when xfce starts to have decent support for it. I'm not a ride or die Xorg fan, I just want to keep using the DE I'm used to.
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I have a shitload of bug/weird behavior with Wayland, I hope it gets better but for me it is not there yet.
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Sorry but pipewire is shit and it works with Wayland (didn't see anything Wayland uses pulseaudio) and I believe Wayland still not ready for use, It's unstable for me because pipewire crackling like fire
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Sorry but pipewire is shit and it works with Wayland (didn't see anything Wayland uses pulseaudio) and I believe Wayland still not ready for use, It's unstable for me because pipewire crackling like fire
Get your shit together.
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I'm running Bazzite on KDE Wayland with the proprietary Nvidia drivers just fine. I think you've got another issue causing this.
I'm not familiar with Bazzite. Did you get those drivers from Nvidia's website? That's my only issue with Debian 13 right now. Everything else is working as expected. Also the reason I had to get the drivers from the website is somehow I couldn't enable some stuff (like amd-pstate) on the default Bookworm kernel and had to use a backported one.
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I might switch to wayland when xfce starts to have decent support for it. I'm not a ride or die Xorg fan, I just want to keep using the DE I'm used to.
Same currently using xfce with opensuse
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In this current state it's currently only in a few des (kde and gnome has it stable) and windows manager(wayfire and Sway and qtile has it stable) but maybe in the future it will be most des
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I'm not familiar with Bazzite. Did you get those drivers from Nvidia's website? That's my only issue with Debian 13 right now. Everything else is working as expected. Also the reason I had to get the drivers from the website is somehow I couldn't enable some stuff (like amd-pstate) on the default Bookworm kernel and had to use a backported one.
No, they're included with, and updated by, the OS. But they are the proprietary ones that are available on Nvidia's website.
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Issue is already closed though and might have more to do with xwayland itself it seems. Also fwiw, i just tested steam on niri with xwayland-satellite a few weeks ago and it worked just fine.
issue closed != issue resolved though. it worked "a few" weeks ago and now it doesn't. other people in fedi and one in that issue have the same problem too.
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What issues do half of your X11 apps? Ive never had an issue with an X11 app running through Xwayland, although I also dont have many X11 apps left.
mostly windows going blank or straight up refusing to launch
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if one goes out of their way to use a system without xwayland, that's on them not Wayland lol
but i do have xwayland. please read my comment again.
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at which part did they set the house on fire?
yeah really confused about that reply too. is using anything other than Gnome on Wayland "setting the house on fire"?
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"I set my house on fire damn why did my house burn down its the builders fault."
xwayland-satellite is the recommended way to run X11 apps, which are unfortunately still many, on niri. is that "setting my house on fire"? really confused here.
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No, they're included with, and updated by, the OS. But they are the proprietary ones that are available on Nvidia's website.
I'll try again this weekend. But that's the only thing I've changed before being unable to log in a wayland sessions. Hope it works though.
