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    But what if the thief steals the books not to read them, but just to fill their house with books and make themselves seem erudite and intelligent?

    I'm imagining the most extreme version of this, where a man is living in a house that is a veritable library. Yet, they're actually illiterate.

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    • thetechnician27@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

      Okay, but I literally just expressed how they're fundamentally, pragmatically different while you keep reaching for the word "semantics". You can still disagree that it's wrong to copy – that's not what I'm trying to litigage. To call it only semantically different from stealing is asinine.

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      I never said it was only semantically different, only that you were making a semantic argument: namely, citing the semantic distinction between copying and stealing as grounds for one being acceptable and the other not (“stealing” is wrong but I’m “copying”), ignoring that the injustice against the work’s creator is not pragmatically different. Practically speaking, the author is equally robbed whether you “copy” or “steal”; therefore, arguing that copying is not stealing obscures the heart of the matter behind a semantic distinction.

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      • platypode@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

        I never said it was only semantically different, only that you were making a semantic argument: namely, citing the semantic distinction between copying and stealing as grounds for one being acceptable and the other not (“stealing” is wrong but I’m “copying”), ignoring that the injustice against the work’s creator is not pragmatically different. Practically speaking, the author is equally robbed whether you “copy” or “steal”; therefore, arguing that copying is not stealing obscures the heart of the matter behind a semantic distinction.

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        That wasn't me you were talking to initially; that was TheLeadenSea. You'll have to ask them, not me.

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          Here people even "steal" books from public bookcases and sell them.

          For people who aren't familiar, let me explain:
          These public bookcases are a weatherproof shelf, old phone booth or something in the streets. The concept is you can take any book and leave any book. There are no written rules and you can keep a book if you like or just read it and put it back. In recent years people started to scan the barcodes and checked what books they can sell. There is a debate going on if people should mark these books or not, so they can't be sold.

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          • thetechnician27@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

            That wasn't me you were talking to initially; that was TheLeadenSea. You'll have to ask them, not me.

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            Oh, fair enough

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            • platypode@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

              Cool, you hate creatives and feel entitled to their work on the basis of semantics

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              You don't deserve the downvotes, you're right. If everyone used the "iTs NoT sTeAlInG" argument then no digital works would ever be profitable and everyone would lose.

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              • platypode@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

                Cool, you hate creatives and feel entitled to their work on the basis of semantics

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                i often buy books on a DRM'd store or a paper copy, but then download the epub to put on my e-ink tablet so i don't have to deal with the shitty DRM'd app it would be stuck in.

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                • boxscape@lemmy.sdf.orgB [email protected]

                  Sure looks like a regular Street, you know, with a roof and stuff.

                  One of those Iraqi shōtengais unoe.

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                  Just a regular bazaar 😉

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                    Me, stealing every pdf I can find:

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                    It's a shame the people who you stole them from don't have them any more...

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                    • buboscandiacus@mander.xyzB [email protected]

                      That's pretty smart until you learn that "the thief sells"

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                      or perhaps "the feathered rat takes refuge in high and low literature alike"

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                        or perhaps "the feathered rat takes refuge in high and low literature alike"

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                        Or that "the nazi burns books"

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                        • zeldafreak@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                          Here people even "steal" books from public bookcases and sell them.

                          For people who aren't familiar, let me explain:
                          These public bookcases are a weatherproof shelf, old phone booth or something in the streets. The concept is you can take any book and leave any book. There are no written rules and you can keep a book if you like or just read it and put it back. In recent years people started to scan the barcodes and checked what books they can sell. There is a debate going on if people should mark these books or not, so they can't be sold.

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                          The climate isn't good enough for this where I live all the books would get ruined

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                          • venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV [email protected]

                            Or that "the drunkard urinates on books for fun"

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                            Yeah or what happens when it rains? Or someone drops a book into what appears to be an upper gutter running through the middle of the street?

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                              Nice try, Dubya

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                              You might say it’s… my racket.

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                              • dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                                The climate isn't good enough for this where I live all the books would get ruined

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                                I'm in the UK and these are all over the place, especially in more rural areas, and we're famed for our lovely weather! 😂

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                                  But what if the thief steals the books not to read them, but just to fill their house with books and make themselves seem erudite and intelligent?

                                  I'm imagining the most extreme version of this, where a man is living in a house that is a veritable library. Yet, they're actually illiterate.

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                                  Sounds like a "truther" or flat earther.

                                  I was about to describe here a world wherein a flat earther glass through a book to call it out on all the "lies", then I realised "oh wait, I literally watched a video on that"

                                  ... It was a children's science book 😂

                                  https://youtu.be/7WxPyK1ZL_4?t=2m2s

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                                  • venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV [email protected]

                                    Or that "the drunkard urinates on books for fun"

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                                    Probably not a lot of drunkards where all alcohol is illegal.

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                                      This is clearly a indoor Bazar with doors that lock on both ends, they leave them out cause it's not technically outside and ain't nobody breaking in to steal some books, shits heavy and probably doesn't sell for all that much on the black market

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                                        But the arsonist, tho...

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                                        • dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                                          The climate isn't good enough for this where I live all the books would get ruined

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                                          I live in SW Finland on the coast of the Baltic Sea. It's wet and cold 90% of the year.

                                          We still have this sort of book exchange in the entrance way to my local shop. A tiny bookshelf/night desk. Not too common though, I can't think of any others right now.

                                          But like the weather shouldn't be the issue, that's just an engineering problem at that point. I imagine like a glass doored fridge with some dehumidifiers placed inside should probably work in most places to protect books.

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