Iranian regime muzzles media with grim death penalty warning
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I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.
We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.
I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.
Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?
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I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.
Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?
Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.
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Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.
We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime
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It has been touched upon for years, then fell off the news wagon because of other events.
The attacks are unjustified, but this narrative of "the media had no problem with Iran" when again, in the past years, executions and state violence carried out by Iran have been reported, is false.
I didn't say no problem, I said tolerable. You really need to read the dictionary and understand words. You cannot just interpret things how you feel, rather than what the words mean.
Did you not see how quick policy and media narratives switch. Recently they tried to rehabilitate the Syrian leader, who's group was allied to American enemies, and all of a sudden, he wasn't that bad, let's drop sanctions.
You have to realise that, what is good and bad, and what the media tells you is good and bad are two different things. You have to critically challenge the narratives you're fed.
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I didn't say no problem, I said tolerable. You really need to read the dictionary and understand words. You cannot just interpret things how you feel, rather than what the words mean.
Did you not see how quick policy and media narratives switch. Recently they tried to rehabilitate the Syrian leader, who's group was allied to American enemies, and all of a sudden, he wasn't that bad, let's drop sanctions.
You have to realise that, what is good and bad, and what the media tells you is good and bad are two different things. You have to critically challenge the narratives you're fed.
Mate, I don't rely on mainstream media to tell me what to think about Iran. I have in-laws there. My partner regularly talks to them.
Iran was always shite and during the protests, the media said as much. When they executed protestors, It got reported upon. There was never a time in which Iran was like anywhere close tolerable. Did UK media not pounce on the Shahed drones to Russia? Come on, mate.
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As bad as israeli and united snake leaders
Whataboutism is for blaming USA when the Russians have done something bad, not the iranians or Israelis
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Funny how you equate the Iranian regime with chickens. You know, yhay same regime that murders people slowly by slowly Hanging them from a crane, just and only just because they loved the wrong person. I believe the handmaid's tale has a good example scene of this.
Yes, Israel is committing a genocide, USA is evil, but do you really want to apologize for yet another evil, then?
I believe the handmaid’s tale
No, that's a work of fiction
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it's a shame that when scum fights scum there are so many innocent civilians who will suffer. there are no good guys in this. A little bully with rich parents picked a fight with a big bully and everything that can come out of this will suck.
there are no good guys in this.
There were no "good guys" in World War 2 either, and yet you don't see people going around squealing "both sides were scum!" At anyone who supported the allied
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Yeah let's not forget who they are, the people in power in Iran. Worst scum on earth.
Not the worst scum, that honour goes to the leadership of Israel and the Western leaders supporting their genocide.
And if you think Iran is the only country that executes people who send information to the enemy, you need to crack a history book
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When was Iran tolerable? They're still as much of a fucked up theocracy with a terrible record on human rights as they've been since the revolution.
And they're less terrible than any country that is supporting Israel's Holocaust in Gaza.
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I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.
We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.
Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.
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Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.
Ukraine is also pretty shitty, but no one seems to have any problem understanding why people would cheer them on when they get attacked.
Funny how liberals can only extend that privilege to white countries
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If it's a dictatorship I'd say yes because they are (also) the enemy.
I'm also against the death penalty in general, but especially for scaring your own citizens into obedience.
Yeah, apparently murder is supposed to be used for scaring foreign citizens into obedience, based on what liberals say
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In the UK they were not a problem. Not even discussed until Israel attacked and now they're scrambling to paint them as the biggest evil to retroactively justify the attacks.
Media freedom is rubbish in Iran. They're not good guys. However, media is silent on the number of journalists Israel has killed recently, and no, they're not allowed in Gaza, so the threat of death and lack of freedom seems to apply to the aggressors also.
In reality, they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out. It's obvious who the aggressor is who kicked off another front though.
they should be clearly communicating this is 2 bad guys fighting this out.
Would you say they should teach World War 2 was just bad guys fighting it out? Or are you a hypocrite?
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Yeah, this is why I'm not on Iran's side.
I still want them to hurt Israel as much as possible. My heart goes out to the innocent people of Iran.
Ukraine also does this, by the way, are you going to assert that you're not on Ukraine's side?
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Mate, I don't rely on mainstream media to tell me what to think about Iran. I have in-laws there. My partner regularly talks to them.
Iran was always shite and during the protests, the media said as much. When they executed protestors, It got reported upon. There was never a time in which Iran was like anywhere close tolerable. Did UK media not pounce on the Shahed drones to Russia? Come on, mate.
The UK media did not. It was mentioned they were used but with no judgement one way over another. The amount of UK weapons used to execute civilians, to them this is state normal.
Myanmar are Ethiopia are doing much worse to civilians. Saudi are horrific for rights. Those countries are barely mentioned. It's not about atrocities. It's about Western foreign policy.
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The UK media did not. It was mentioned they were used but with no judgement one way over another. The amount of UK weapons used to execute civilians, to them this is state normal.
Myanmar are Ethiopia are doing much worse to civilians. Saudi are horrific for rights. Those countries are barely mentioned. It's not about atrocities. It's about Western foreign policy.
Well fuck UK media then, lol.
Maybe I misunderstood you. I've been seeing too many people running defense for Iran these days, and by running defense I don't mean justifying Iranian retaliation (totally justified to strike back if you're attacked) but rather defending the Iranian government retroactively.
Both Myanmar and Ethiopia are in active states of civil war. By the very nature of civil war they are doing much worse to their citizens.
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Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.
Based on your other comment, I'm inclined to agree with the liberals.
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We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.
Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.
1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.
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Whataboutism is for blaming USA when the Russians have done something bad, not the iranians or Israelis
‍️.They is no whataboutism. You just have double standard
