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Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state: long hours, little work, and sub-minimum wage. (please click for details).

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    Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

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    Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

    While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

    They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

    While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

    Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

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    Would this be allowed?

    Thank you.

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      Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

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      Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

      While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

      They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

      While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

      Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

      ​

      Would this be allowed?

      Thank you.

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      Can't imagine astronauts having it much better/worse. Maybe you can find an astronaut's work contract?

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        Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

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        Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

        While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

        They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

        While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

        Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

        ​

        Would this be allowed?

        Thank you.

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        UK resident: pretty sure you can't dictate to your employees what they do on non work time unless you pay them on call wages. Ie be here and wear this. I guess you could write it into the contract and see if someone signs it but I don't think it would hold up.

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          Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

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          Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

          While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

          They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

          While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

          Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

          ​

          Would this be allowed?

          Thank you.

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          EU laws would kill your "I'm not paying you but I'm dictating what you're doing" part.

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            EU laws would kill your "I'm not paying you but I'm dictating what you're doing" part.

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            1. He will pay them $9 360 to work 312 hour to ad lib act.

            2. He might have other jobs for them. They don't have to do them, but if they do, he will pay them $30/hr.

            3. He will pay each $20 000 to be there 6000 hours in that year, and (if clothed) to wear a uniform for all of that year. Besides that they can lounge around and do nothing.

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              1. He will pay them $9 360 to work 312 hour to ad lib act.

              2. He might have other jobs for them. They don't have to do them, but if they do, he will pay them $30/hr.

              3. He will pay each $20 000 to be there 6000 hours in that year, and (if clothed) to wear a uniform for all of that year. Besides that they can lounge around and do nothing.

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              If he's dictating that they have to stay, that's work time.

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                If he's dictating that they have to stay, that's work time.

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                Are seamen paid a minimum wage for every hour they are on board a ship?

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                  Are seamen paid a minimum wage for every hour they are on board a ship?

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                  Irrelevant, this is not a ship.

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                    Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

                    ​

                    Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

                    While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

                    They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

                    While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

                    Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

                    ​

                    Would this be allowed?

                    Thank you.

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                    Making an Augumented Reality Video Game would be way cheaper lol

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                      Irrelevant, this is not a ship.

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                      So if these 20 had to stay in a ship, it would be permitted?

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                        Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

                        ​

                        Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

                        While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

                        They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

                        While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

                        Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

                        ​

                        Would this be allowed?

                        Thank you.

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                        Are you asking if private prisons exist?

                        Yes they do, but they pay far less per hour.

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                          Are you asking if private prisons exist?

                          Yes they do, but they pay far less per hour.

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                          Any, a few, or all of these 20 can leave at any time.

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                            UK resident: pretty sure you can't dictate to your employees what they do on non work time unless you pay them on call wages. Ie be here and wear this. I guess you could write it into the contract and see if someone signs it but I don't think it would hold up.

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                            Yeah if anything in the contract violates the law then it's invalid anyway.

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                              Any, a few, or all of these 20 can leave at any time.

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                              They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year

                              Sounds like they cannot leave at any time if there is a restriction on leaving outside of work hours.

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                                They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year

                                Sounds like they cannot leave at any time if there is a restriction on leaving outside of work hours.

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                                They are paid $20 000, to wear a uniform that year, and stay 6000 hours of that year, at the place.

                                8760 hours/yr - 6000 hours = 2760 hours = up to 115 full days away from the place

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                                  So if these 20 had to stay in a ship, it would be permitted?

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                                  Not automatically. Check the ship contract law.

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                                    Hypothetical. Would this be permitted in a US state (or DC), or for that matter, Canadian province, Australian state (or NT and Canberra), New Zealand, UK (including Channel Islands and Man), or EU members.

                                    ​

                                    Let's say an eccentric multi-millionaire wanted to hire 20 people to live in a large building for a year. They have to be in it, or in a large yard on the building’s grounds, for over 6000 hours a year (keeping in mind that a common year (such as 2025) has 24 hrs/day x 365 days = 8760 hours).

                                    While in this building, if they wear anything, they must wear uniforms of a fictional sci-fi story (like Star Trek, Space 1999, or Galaxy Quest) all the time. The uniforms are obvious but not uncomfortable, and are regularly washed. They must wear these uniforms while in the building, on the grounds, or even outside (they can wear less of the uniforms, or wear nothing, for bathing, other bathroom purposes, sleeping, whatever). They have to maintain hygiene. Grooming might be regulated, though probably not. While they have separate cabins, they might be checked for uniformity to the uniform code.

                                    They will be required to improvise act, 6 hours a week, and might be hired to do other work if they wish. For such, they will be paid, say, US$30/hr (or equivalent), but for the rest of the time, they are paid nothing—thus (52 wks/year x 6 hrs/wk x $30/hr 😃 $9 360 minimally per person.

                                    While in this building—and in uniform—and aside from the 6 hrs a week—they can do pretty much whatever they wish. This includes reading, listening to music (or any other audio), making music (there's a music room with instruments they can use), watching TV (DVDs and the like), talking, lounging around, spending time on computers and taking whatever they make on computers home. Some effort will be made to get them books, audios, and videos that they want, and they can probably bring a few of their own. There is a large rec room with ping pong, air hockey, and pool tables. Outside is a yard, food garden, ornamental garden, where they can practice gardening skills at their will, as well as a lawn, bushy area where plants grow wild, basketball and tennis courts. They get free meals, and some health care costs are covered.

                                    Aside from the aforementioned paid tasks, they will get only $20 000 each for that year. (i.e. $9 360 + $20 000 = $29 360)

                                    ​

                                    Would this be allowed?

                                    Thank you.

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                                    Legal in Texas: put them on salary and have them sign a few papers.

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                                      They are paid $20 000, to wear a uniform that year, and stay 6000 hours of that year, at the place.

                                      8760 hours/yr - 6000 hours = 2760 hours = up to 115 full days away from the place

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                                      If they are required to wear uniforms and be present, and they aren't in the military or in prison. then they are working those 6000 hours. If they are paid for that time then it wouldn't be an issue.

                                      Why are you tied to $20k in pay?

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                                        If they are required to wear uniforms and be present, and they aren't in the military or in prison. then they are working those 6000 hours. If they are paid for that time then it wouldn't be an issue.

                                        Why are you tied to $20k in pay?

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                                        It's simple, less than minimum wage if spread out through 6000 hours, yet I think many people would take the job.

                                        Think about it: a person will get $20 000, free room and board, where wt:thon can spend all day playing soccer, basketball, pool, or video games—aside from 312 hours of improv—for which thon gets an additional $9 360.

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                                          Making an Augumented Reality Video Game would be way cheaper lol

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                                          You can’t have sex with a video game though.

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