What is your opinion on national pride / patriotism?
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I was raised around a lot of "patriotism" (closet nationalism) and have had to adapt the feeling now that I understand better what America actually is and has been. I found that trying to abandon the feeling altogether was making me feel cynical and alone. The parts of America that I love in fact tend to exist despite our government and dominant culture, which steals and appropriates the things I love about us and turns them into the things people know about us and dislike for good reason. I love the source materials, not the end result. As a white person born into privilege on stolen land, my existence is not entirely apart from this, but all's I can do with that is try to make something better of it.
There's a salt-of-the-earth working-class segment of this country that's getting screwed over, knows how and why they and others are getting screwed over, and has learned to survive together in spite of it. People that make families out of communities. Rail hoppers, union organizers, queer punks, the list goes on. That spirit is not unique to this country but there do exist uniquely American forms of it. I'm more proud of these people than words can express, and that's about as close to patriotic as I can feel these days.
Maybe I just like seeing our shitty protestant labor worship turned to something more productive. Maybe I just spent too much time in the mountains to not fall in love with the land itself. Or maybe I just love banjos.
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Hate to break it to you buddy but those pithy words were created before militaries could deploy anywhere worldwide within nine hours
EVERYTHING is periphery nowadays, I figured 9/11 clued everyone in on that
And it's still a tool of oppression
The US is not an imperial periphery. Being attacked doesn't make you periphery. Idk where you got that idea. These terms are primarily in regard to economic relations
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Patriotism. It’s the food of the wise man but the liquor of the fool.
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I tend to agree with Schopenhauer(other than it sounding quite arrogant/condescending the way he puts it…):
The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.
Suffers from the same individualism as some other comments.
Most people know how to be proud of things outside their small self. It's only that Protestant individualist mindset that denies the reality of the collective, and with it collective pride.
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The philosophy behind that is that only individual choices matter.
What you're saying is logical, but only if you're on-board with an individualist worldview to start.
You can be proud of your community and others you identify with without putting that pride on arbitrary bounds of organization regardless of how the organization is ran.
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The US is not an imperial periphery. Being attacked doesn't make you periphery. Idk where you got that idea. These terms are primarily in regard to economic relations
No, it is armchair wiki scholar talk ripped from the Romans like some freaking 40k fanboy.
It's not even a good comparison as an economic metaphor as in modern markets there is no geographical center
Just face it, you wanted to sound wise and it fell flat so now you're moving the goalposts. Fucking typical
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Is that literally all you can bring? I thought we were having a discussion here...
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Is that literally all you can bring? I thought we were having a discussion here...
Most people don't take it as a cultural dogma that the individual is the be-all-and-end-all
If you're an angry autist with that cultural dogma, I'm not gonna try talk you out if it. Most people find it easy to be proud of their ancestors or family or country.
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Most people don't take it as a cultural dogma that the individual is the be-all-and-end-all
If you're an angry autist with that cultural dogma, I'm not gonna try talk you out if it. Most people find it easy to be proud of their ancestors or family or country.
Wait, you think I'm a patriot? Media literacy is fucking dead...
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Wait, you think I'm a patriot? Media literacy is fucking dead...
You think I think you're a
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Pride in your country/state/etc is ok, nationalism is not. The US only knows indoctrination and nationalism. Canada is a little better about it with their buy Canadian movement, imo
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No, that's just having a strong sense of community
The difference is you aren't blinded to the flaws that need to be fixed
A 'patriot' will insist that American is the perfectbest and awesome and has zero flaws and if you insist there are flaws then you must be a damn communist and it is their moral duty to oppose everything you suggest for change
And it's fucking our country so bad that we won't be a world power in 20 years
And it’s fucking our country so bad that we won’t be a world power in 20 years
Unfortunately, I very much doubt that. Look at Russia, it's even worse than the USA AND has a far worse economy, yet it's still a major power.
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Dangerous.
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No, it is armchair wiki scholar talk ripped from the Romans like some freaking 40k fanboy.
It's not even a good comparison as an economic metaphor as in modern markets there is no geographical center
Just face it, you wanted to sound wise and it fell flat so now you're moving the goalposts. Fucking typical
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Its actually just part of my vocabulary because I exist in spaces that use it often. Its integral to world systems theory. I never moved the goalpost, for me it was always an economic term. It seems we may have different definition of imperial core and imperial periphery. What does it mean in the Roman context? How are you understanding it?
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Its actually just part of my vocabulary because I exist in spaces that use it often. Its integral to world systems theory. I never moved the goalpost, for me it was always an economic term. It seems we may have different definition of imperial core and imperial periphery. What does it mean in the Roman context? How are you understanding it?
Do you ever get tired of being so hollow? Of all the time you take to convince others that there's something going on inside? Everything you write is bullshit but it is an eager and desperate bullshit begging for acknowledgment and I am ashamed I fell for it.
Enjoy your block
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Do you ever get tired of being so hollow? Of all the time you take to convince others that there's something going on inside? Everything you write is bullshit but it is an eager and desperate bullshit begging for acknowledgment and I am ashamed I fell for it.
Enjoy your block
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I genuinely can't fathom how I made you that angry. I guess the username checks out but honestly it just makes me sad
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And it’s fucking our country so bad that we won’t be a world power in 20 years
Unfortunately, I very much doubt that. Look at Russia, it's even worse than the USA AND has a far worse economy, yet it's still a major power.
I would sincerely love to talk about the dynamics of America's collapse as it is a special interest of mine, but this is lemmy and no rational discussion survives for more than 10 minutes so please understand when I make this statement, I'm not having a discussion. I am making a point, and ignoring all replies to it.
The difference between America and the U.S.S.R.'s collapse is that the majority of manufacturing, data infrastructure, wealth, trade ports, and cultural cultural centers are in overwhelmingly blue areas which have access to their own military and militias. The fascists won't be getting the whole country, they won't even be getting the good parts of the country either. When it comes to outside aid as well, blue areas have the advantage as the two biggest salt water ports in the nation are in strongly blue zones, and I guarantee the fascists won't be getting aid from most of Europe. We saved a lot of countries and now they know it'll be time to pay that back.
It will be bloody and senseless and will last around ten years. And I hope to fuck this time they don't fumble fucking Reconciliation. All traitors must hang or we will just get another crop next year.
And this could ALL have been prevented if you fuckers had just handled Gamergate for the joke like it was instead of catapulting it to international consciousness. If you want to know where all the MAGA rats came from, and where they learned to manipulate media? Bannon and his assholes cut their teeth on Gamergate and now we have fascism
The fucking hilarious part is that all of you coming after who will argue this obvious point because you are bored and like to see yourselves type.
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Patriotism. It’s the food of the wise man but the liquor of the fool.
Patriotism, it's what nationalists say when they mean "it's okay when I do it"
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For decades, most of my life, the streets to avoid walking down, or pubs to visit, are those that year round, hang outlarge Union Jacks (UK flag) and especially those that exhibit the St Georges flag (England flag]. To many here the St Georges flag is sadly synonymous with Right wing thugs.
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I don't like nationalism. You don't have to appeal to people's pride for things that are good.
