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I'm not generally one to advocate for free-market capitalism, but in this case, I think you would need to explain to me why genetic engineering would be withheld from people given that free access would be more profitable.
the cost. everyone gets everything, no stratified application. The only way to keep genetically engineered casts from developing due to this would be if everyone gets it. Similar thing with very advanced automation. Once the technology hits a certain point ownership has to be shifted to the public at large. If some ownership, and others don't, for whatever reason, these technologies make a gap in power hitherto unknown. If the billionaire class exert outsized influence due to their resources now, then being able to simply decide how genetic engineering is used, or to own the machines that create almost all of our production, they will simply just be the god kings of an advanced tech era.
These types of things need to be completely socialized, no owners, no IP holders, no cost gates, etc.
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I liked the way posthuman society was portrayed in the 'firefall' novels, how fucking bleak and horrible it got, but omg.
Are you from the SF bay area? Is this the thing where you only ever got STEM education and now can't like piece of art, even a dystopian one, without trying to make it real?
I'm canadian. I have heard that san fran is Canada's 4th biggest city by population or something like that, but no, I don't live there.
Something I wonder is why people treat gattaca like it's exactly and completely prescient, but at the same time have no worry at all about AI x-risks because "terminator was science fiction, so there's nothing to worry about."
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the cost. everyone gets everything, no stratified application. The only way to keep genetically engineered casts from developing due to this would be if everyone gets it. Similar thing with very advanced automation. Once the technology hits a certain point ownership has to be shifted to the public at large. If some ownership, and others don't, for whatever reason, these technologies make a gap in power hitherto unknown. If the billionaire class exert outsized influence due to their resources now, then being able to simply decide how genetic engineering is used, or to own the machines that create almost all of our production, they will simply just be the god kings of an advanced tech era.
These types of things need to be completely socialized, no owners, no IP holders, no cost gates, etc.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, I agree it should definitely be accessible to everyone. Just like any other kind of healthcare is already in my country. As for the cost, one could redirect funds from healthcare toward it. It should save money on healthcare in the long-run. At least, once the price is in the low-thousands of dollars, it should definitely balance out. It's still on the order of usd$10k though at present.
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Everyone else is thinking eugenics while I'm thinking about how birth control is a feminizing drug and this will be forcibly feminizing meth users, which is also a violation of bodily autonomy
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Put birth control in ivermectin
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Yes, I agree it should definitely be accessible to everyone. Just like any other kind of healthcare is already in my country. As for the cost, one could redirect funds from healthcare toward it. It should save money on healthcare in the long-run. At least, once the price is in the low-thousands of dollars, it should definitely balance out. It's still on the order of usd$10k though at present.
this is great if the IP holder continues wanting to play ball with socialized medicine
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it is eugenicsy if people in power arbitrarily decide that all drug (only those that poor people use) users shouldn't breed.
I do think that people in objectively shitty conditions should wait to get better before having children. but straight up sneaking birth control in their drugs? that's eugenics,.give poor people access to free healthcare? that's better.
Put birth control in uncut Colombian coke, too.
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Put birth control in uncut Colombian coke, too.
instructions unclear, I put birth control on coca cola
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instructions unclear, I put birth control on coca cola
Just as good
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this is great if the IP holder continues wanting to play ball with socialized medicine
are you this skeptical every time a new treatment for something comes out?
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I'm canadian. I have heard that san fran is Canada's 4th biggest city by population or something like that, but no, I don't live there.
Something I wonder is why people treat gattaca like it's exactly and completely prescient, but at the same time have no worry at all about AI x-risks because "terminator was science fiction, so there's nothing to worry about."
Because ai bros aren't people anymore.
I've heard a useful explanation that a llm can't automate anything that isn't already like 95% no-human-in-the-loop already, and i find this is convincing. I think there could be a lot of humans who were already total (or very nearly) philosophical zombies; just zero critical thinking, zero interiority, zero understanding mother fuckers. Or just severed from anything important; idk. This shit must be rapturous to them.
But also that using this shit makes you stupid. Searching with it and chatting with it in particular. If thats true, something in their heads fucking d>es. Maybe it'll be recoverable when we stop subsidizing this crap and their chatbot waifu shuts down, maybe they're just soup-headed forever now. Idk.
Some combination of these things, and the aforementioned 'i read 1984 and was inspired to put cameras in your tv' bullshit literally every tech exec does compulsively.
Plus where the industry is, they're kind of jacking off to 'terminator'; they're very interested in edging skynet. One-to-many power is kind of their favorite thing.
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They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.
wrote last edited by [email protected]my antidepressant is apparently really damn addictive, I forgot to take them for a week with no issues. Honestly I felt better. No idea why I didn't have any withdrawals
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️I do imagine meth is slightly more impactful though
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I find it surprising that you think the rich and powerful would not choose to genetically enhance themselves (their children) to be smarter, more attractive, etc. They would surely be the first to do so.
Yes it does make sense that they would give up their identity, their being, their humanity just for a leg up to win a place in the machine, for a shot at running the machine, king of the shit hill, that does explain a lot.
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How bad could it be? Ethan Hawke succeeds in the movie even though he's got no real genetic qualifications.
Ask Jude Law inside the incinerator how things are going for him
And astronaut boy is not going to be normal
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It's always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don't call it that.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I get why you think that, but it does not say permanent.
If the birth control lasted 1-6 month to ensure active addicts would not have children, I would be kind of in favor of it. There is nothing good about a child being raised by meth addicts or taken by CPS and going through orphanages/foster care.
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are you this skeptical every time a new treatment for something comes out?
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, because very advanced levels of genetic engineering are unlike anything we historically have done, as is automation that basically replaces all humans as the general work force. They are not apples to apples comparable.
Though, I guess I do feel we are at the point where holding IP for medicine has become too empowering to private entities in general, and should no longer be allowed. However, advanced genetic engineering is a special case.
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No, because very advanced levels of genetic engineering are unlike anything we historically have done, as is automation that basically replaces all humans as the general work force. They are not apples to apples comparable.
Though, I guess I do feel we are at the point where holding IP for medicine has become too empowering to private entities in general, and should no longer be allowed. However, advanced genetic engineering is a special case.
wrote last edited by [email protected]advanced genetic engineering would be cool but that's not what polygenic selection is. Polygenic selection just lets you roll the dice a couple times and choose the best embryo available (a typical number of embryos to choose from is, like, 5). It's the safest, babiest steps toward actual genetic engineering.
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Yes it does make sense that they would give up their identity, their being, their humanity just for a leg up to win a place in the machine, for a shot at running the machine, king of the shit hill, that does explain a lot.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I don't really get how you're getting all that from polygenic selection -- the current state of the art in legal eugenics. Polygenic selection is just like, choosing the best of n embryos; any one of these babies you could have conceived naturally, it just boosts the odds a little. Anyway, it doesn't affect oneself, only one's children, so nobody actually gets a choice, and nobody's identity can be given up. One's identity isn't formed until well after birth. What you're saying doesn't even make a lick of sense.
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advanced genetic engineering would be cool but that's not what polygenic selection is. Polygenic selection just lets you roll the dice a couple times and choose the best embryo available (a typical number of embryos to choose from is, like, 5). It's the safest, babiest steps toward actual genetic engineering.
yes, I have been trying to express that what we have at the moment is not so much the problem as the advancement and what is to come. I am also not saying that we should not do these things, I am saying when do do them we must not allow it be controlled, via IP ownership, or otherwise, by a private entity. As things stand the medical industry holds far too much sway with their ownership of things people need to live, or live well. They are also actively working against social medicine, with a current focus on the UK, and a variety of developing nations. They should not be afforded the power imbalance such ownership allows them now, and as things like this progress, it will only make that power imbalance worse. Every technology is a double edged sword, and the more one affects society the more we need to prevent the cutting edged aimed at us. I could not dare to guess the ways in which we could be impacted by future technology, much how people in the 90s could not have envisioned the societal issues that are arising now, such as the loneliness epidemic, and the structural loss of actual ownership, or any rights to anything we have. Sure we had a pretty good guess that propaganda would run wild, and it has, but many other things that have huge impacts are things no one was thinking about even 20 years ago.
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yes, I have been trying to express that what we have at the moment is not so much the problem as the advancement and what is to come. I am also not saying that we should not do these things, I am saying when do do them we must not allow it be controlled, via IP ownership, or otherwise, by a private entity. As things stand the medical industry holds far too much sway with their ownership of things people need to live, or live well. They are also actively working against social medicine, with a current focus on the UK, and a variety of developing nations. They should not be afforded the power imbalance such ownership allows them now, and as things like this progress, it will only make that power imbalance worse. Every technology is a double edged sword, and the more one affects society the more we need to prevent the cutting edged aimed at us. I could not dare to guess the ways in which we could be impacted by future technology, much how people in the 90s could not have envisioned the societal issues that are arising now, such as the loneliness epidemic, and the structural loss of actual ownership, or any rights to anything we have. Sure we had a pretty good guess that propaganda would run wild, and it has, but many other things that have huge impacts are things no one was thinking about even 20 years ago.
Well, I do agree we should completely rework IP law in general. But I wouldn't want to delay progress in genetic engineering until we can restructure society. It's important to improve the human condition, even if society isn't able to allow equitable access to every technology yet.
