I'd ring that
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That one depends on the person. Sometimes it's "care-mul" but others sometimes annunciate the word "carAmel" properly. Especially those in and around Carmel. Because it is not candy.
carmel is a pretty little town... didn't they elect clint eastwood as mayor or something?
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There are two main groups, those who learned their foundational language mainly orally, and those who mainly learned by reading. Those who were readers would read Hermy-own or Hermy-onn because that would match how other similar spellings are pronounced. I was an ambitious reader very early on, so my pronounciations tend to follow spelling rules rather than actual practice
For what it's worth, her name is pronounced differently in different languages. Whereas it's "her-my-nee" in English, it's "Hermine" (long i + schwa-sound for the e at the end) in German and "Гермиона" (Germiona) in Russian
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When we were teenagers, my sister had obviously read the phrase "faux pas" and used it (correctly) in a sentence but pronouncing it "fox pass".
It was perfect. Like a Mike Myers "what the french call.... I don't know what".
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Insert me saying C-hash to a programmer friend and promptly being roasted for the rest of the evening.
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What about words that everybody pronounces wrong, such as “nougat”? No, it’s not “new-git”, it’s “new-gah”. I even heard “nugget” from somebody not long ago.
In French, sure. But unless you also talk about the national budzhay, you get that loan words can have different pronunciations.
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oh man, asking a kid in this era to look something up in the dictionary is quite the challenge.
In this book? why? why not just look it up online?
BECAUSE GODDAMNIT REASONS AND SHIT
The dictionary is now online and often includes an audio recording of the word or phrase of interest. Online is not always better than physical, but this is one of the cases where it is likely better. If you're suggesting a less convenient method of doing something, it makes sense to request a reason. In this case I have to agree with the kids.
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It’s called a dictionary, and they’ve been doing it for literally years at this point.
*literally hundreds of years
The American Phonetic Dic-tionary of the English Language, edited by Dan S. Smalley, Cincinnati, 1855, has a unique interest. The oldest English dictionary to be printed in a "phonetic" alphabet
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/00335634209380758?needAccess=true
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My buddy says "chasm" with a soft ch. We've tried to correct him. He doesn't hear us. He also pronounces "tome" like "tomb".
We play DnD together if anyone was wondering why these words would come up with any regularity.
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Well...im my country there actually is
You can call them, they are very nice and for bonus points you can also ask them about any questions you have regarding grammar rules and how you would correctly use them in you specific context -
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Better to corrected than let things get too awry.
Awry.
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Someone was telling me about Hermy-own in Harry Potter, and it took me a minute to realize it was Hermione.
Hermy-one
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English needs a spelling reform badly. Like the whole point of writing is to put speech in writing. It makes no sense to have spelling be this detached from pronunciation.
busy should be bizy for example
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The dictionary is now online and often includes an audio recording of the word or phrase of interest. Online is not always better than physical, but this is one of the cases where it is likely better. If you're suggesting a less convenient method of doing something, it makes sense to request a reason. In this case I have to agree with the kids.
If you’re suggesting a less convenient method of doing something, it makes sense to request a reason. In this case I have to agree with the kids.
reasons and shit: Today's generation - fortunately in many ways - hasn't developed the skills needed to look something up. While you can mirror wikipedia and we generally always have access mostly - it's still a valuable skill. ESPECIALLY now that AI is crufting up search results rapidly.
Now, if you're visiting a dedicated dictionary site, well then you just have to deal with ads and cruft. None of that in Websters dead tree edition.
Do these always justify a trip to the bookshelf? Nah. But it is a useful thing to do a few times a month so they have experience seeking sources of information that aren't digital.
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I mean, even if you're too lazy to pull out a dictionary, you can search online how to pronounce words.
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English needs a spelling reform badly. Like the whole point of writing is to put speech in writing. It makes no sense to have spelling be this detached from pronunciation.
busy should be bizy for example
Nah, we just need to go back to the old pronunciation.*
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oFX1nbD3dV0
"Knight" used to be pronounced as it's spelt. "Outside" used to said like oot-si-deh.
*I am actually just kidding about that first part, but I do find it fascinating how much the spoken word has moved away from the originally phonetic spelling.
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I dunno. People correcting me on this stuff like an asshole just give away what fucking assholes they are. Its one of many mechanisms that helps me cut past the bullshit and realize who is absolute fucking scum by the way they treat others.
Edit: Interesting how so much privilege is in here assuming no assholes exist and things don't happen. Try being disabled in any way in high school or certain workplaces. I have experienced it numerous times, and I've witnessed it done to others.
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There are two main groups, those who learned their foundational language mainly orally, and those who mainly learned by reading. Those who were readers would read Hermy-own or Hermy-onn because that would match how other similar spellings are pronounced. I was an ambitious reader very early on, so my pronounciations tend to follow spelling rules rather than actual practice
Depends on if you had a Greek class with Persephone explained also
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American here: I've never heard it pronouned any other way.
Seriously. It's new git. Why the hell have a t if it's silent? And I was taught by candy commercials, the only time we really even hear the word is in reference to candy.
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Me listening to audiobooks, "he winded his way up the path". I always say winded like winding a spool of thread, but hear it told like deprived of air from the narrators...
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Insert me saying C-hash to a programmer friend and promptly being roasted for the rest of the evening.
Sharp is a pretty dumb name for that symbol imo
