How does fascism happen?
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People get frustrated by circumstances they don't necessarily understand. Fascists give them easy targets based on lies that feed the people's prejudice to place their blame, and introduce more and more oppressive social restrictions based on those easy targets while riling up public fears and so on.
That is how lies about immigrant and minority crime have primed the US populace to be ok with the military occupying the nation's capital based on blatant lies about crime rates.
wrote last edited by [email protected]more and more oppressive social restrictions
Enforcing long standing immigration laws don’t count as that lol. You know what does? Introducing things like “vaccine passports”, mandating vaccines to keep your job, contact tracing, digital IDs, trying to get rid of free speech, etc. Do any of those sound familiar?
Also your comment about the lies about DCs crime rate is hilarious given the allegations and investigations into doctoring of the crime statistics to make it look safer than it is. The police officers union are the ones making the allegations btw, so it’s hard to argue against them when they’re the ones who are being ordered by higher ups to report lower offences than what actually occurred.
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Lack of education : History tells us what happened and how. But, people find it boring. It is true that what it is in the past must stay in the past but it still teaches so you do not make the same mistake again.
Make one main enemy/villain/ the cause of the problem (even if it is not): The most effective trick ever. (think like you are at work, you hate one colleague, you find out that another colleague hate the same colleague. You become friend.)
Make a second enemy/villain/ the cause of the problem (even if it is not): So you diffuse more problems (safe side - figure of speech.)
As one says: Divide and conquer (always works).
BUT ALWAYS a minority as it works better. You need to please the majority.
In general people are tired of ineffective politics: so they try something new and/or it resonates with them, meaning they see that it is maybe true that the problem is the example (s) given by the fascists/nazis/neonazis etc. But, they will not check if it is true as they think the politicians know what they do. Even if, if you think about it. Anyone can be a politician, you need to know how to speak, to present yourself well, to have a vision, to know how to gather people together, to lead. The rest you delegate to more competent people who know their fields.
Once the hook works, you work with the emotions, some facts (fake or not). You slightly change the narrative so it is matching your "vision", "ideology". This is where, usually, you can get them as you can double-check if it is true or not. This is where you see the true journalists at work. And through asking questions.
Example: LGBTQA+ community (quite a """""trend""""" to bash at (sarcasm)). A lot of politicians say that it is destroying the society, family, we need to protect the kids (the ultimate red flag of all) etc.
One just need to ask them (politicians), the right questions. In what sense it is destroying the society? Etc, etc etc. So, you can show that what they say, their ideology is just fake, anti-human. etc. But, people do not do it or few. You can apply for each point of their speech.(Besides, the most homophobic person is a gay in the closet. Grindr never lies!!!!!!)
Then, control, media, press etc. You slightly divide the majority so better control.
So basically, the same pattern that history teaches.
I wonder if the people in here will see the irony in all of them making one main enemy/villain the cause of the problem (even if it is not), the most effective trick ever?
Of course they won’t. They couldn’t possibly be the ones falling for it, they’re too educated and on the right side of history! Just like they’ve been told! Just like the narrative!
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Now the drugs have been replaced by internet echo chambers? So you get the validation you want by people of the same opinion? Sounds dangerous.
The irony is just astounding.
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Some lemmy instances come to mind
“Somel” lol
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I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?
It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.
It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.
History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?
wrote last edited by [email protected]This book has helped me understand:
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/T/bo27509064.html
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I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?
It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.
It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.
History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?
wrote last edited by [email protected]It depends on blaming a minority group for problems that people face instead of addressing the problems. It's the natural progression of a system that enables sycophants.
Wealth is finite, the amount of currency in existence is finite. The rich benefit at the expense of the poor, the poor benefit at the expense of the rich.
If a leader is benefitting from worsening the lives of the poor, and doesn't want to change their goals, they need to distract the poor from the problems they need addressed. The most common way is to trick them into thinking an "expendible" minority is the cause, and the only solution is to erase them. This distraction also allows the leaders to further erode the rights of the poor in the process.
Until it all inevitably collapses, because a society where things only get worse for the vast majority are not sustainable
Wealth redistribution kills fascism
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I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?
It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.
It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.
History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Billionaires / Bankers from USA and UK financed Hitler when he was in prison. Pretty much that's how I see it. I'm just waiting now for modern idiots to finance next one.
I think you can read more here.
https://www.sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-IIWe're very near to this moment because the economic situation is similar.
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- Mass of people stop learning/being taught how to deal with their emotions (and frustrations).
- Instead of being in control of their emotions (it's ok to disagree with anyone, to no like them or not be liked by them, that doesn't mean we should want to kill them or fear them to kill us) they let their emotions control them.
- They elect the one (who has been pushed forward by highly educated people, mind you) that is promising them all they wish for which, more often than not, revolves around giving them more money/power and a free pass to make hell out of the life of some other group(s) of persons they have long been hating on without any mean to meaningfully hurt them.
Education, or the absence of it, is key im_v_ho.
Which is why, this kind of news should worry and trigger urgent and radical answers from any country in which this happens. I'm not US, I'm French but we have the exact same tragedy that's unfolding here too and, beisde an few individual/isolated attempts, we have an almost exact copy of a total absence of nation-wide reaction. Everything is fine...
(How many US citizens have read the Project 2025? It's a book (not a cheap book, sure but the PDF is officially available for free)? I'm willing to bet not that many, as most people can't be bothered to read at all (they believe scrolling some headlines and tweets, and to have feelings and emotions, is more enough to understand and be the expert they are on absolutely any subject—which is another huge weakness that the lack of of working educative system is helping spread in the general population, one that is over-exploited by highly educated people). And they will even less so be willing to read a 900+ pages brick... even if that book may help them better understand who/what they may be about to vote for.)
Education, self-education at the very least, should be a top priority in a working democracy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I know you’re talking about “the right” here, but your 3 points are exactly where the left are right now. “Safe spaces” ring a bell? “Cancel culture”? Electing socialist/communist mayors who promise them free money/housing/everything and promising to legalise/decriminalise things they like (drugs, minor crimes), and letting them make hell out of life for those who they hate, like white people and those with different opinions?
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Its weird because we basically all agree its bad but its happening anyway. I keep feeling like someone should do something, but then like I'm someone and cant really do anything.
Are we all just waiting for someone to do something about it?
wrote last edited by [email protected]An echo chamber all agreeing that something is happening doesn’t mean it actually is. What “fascism” are you talking about that is actually happening?
Tell me, which side is trying to roll back freedom of speech? Which side wanted to round up the unvaccinated into camps? Which side said the unvaccinated should lose their jobs, be denied medical care, have their kids taken from them, and left for dead? Which camp routinely calls for violence and death towards the people that they disagree with?
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It's simple. Put greedy people in positions of power.
That’s communism. And capitalism. And every other government system.
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Dude, you are dealing with a liberal, not a moron. Remember, it doesn't matter if you're right if you sound like an asshole. We all were taught in school that Stalin was evil and bad just like Hitler therefore communism = fascism, and some of us were taught in school that Hitler was a socialist.
a liberal, not a moron
Same thing an increasingly large percentage of the time.
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It depends on blaming a minority group for problems that people face instead of addressing the problems. It's the natural progression of a system that enables sycophants.
Wealth is finite, the amount of currency in existence is finite. The rich benefit at the expense of the poor, the poor benefit at the expense of the rich.
If a leader is benefitting from worsening the lives of the poor, and doesn't want to change their goals, they need to distract the poor from the problems they need addressed. The most common way is to trick them into thinking an "expendible" minority is the cause, and the only solution is to erase them. This distraction also allows the leaders to further erode the rights of the poor in the process.
Until it all inevitably collapses, because a society where things only get worse for the vast majority are not sustainable
Wealth redistribution kills fascism
The amount of currency in existence is not finite lol.
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The amount of currency in existence is not finite lol.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It absolutely is finite, there is an economic theory that says wealth is theoretically infinite, but it's theory, not reality.
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I…. Love/Hate the fact that a lot of people complained that the ending of the book and the movie differed so much, and only few of those people actually understood the meaning of the book
...What book?
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It absolutely is finite, there is an economic theory that says wealth is theoretically infinite, but it's theory, not reality.
It absolutely isn’t. Currency is printed all the time lol.
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I've noted that. Tighten wages, blame the immigrants. Turn sentiment against them, gradually dehumanize them, then use force to ship them out. Apply to group of choice - foreign or domestic. 'Protecting rights' is just a rallying cry and a tool for the politicians.
The people crying for illegal immigrants to be allowed to stay are the ones who want wages to stay low, ironically. Illegals are used as dirt cheap labor because of their illegal status, and deporting them and only hiring legal citizens would drastically increase the average wage.
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That’s communism. And capitalism. And every other government system.
Congratulations, you understood the assignment.
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...What book?
wrote last edited by [email protected]The wave / die Welle
That experiment got a book and a movie
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It absolutely isn’t. Currency is printed all the time lol.
wrote last edited by [email protected]1 is a finite number
1+1 is a finite number
1+? Is a finite number, even if you don't know what it is
If you look at the amount of currency at any given point in time you can absolutely track every debt and dollar to a number, the fact that that number is always changing does not stop it from being finite.
You're really embarrassing yourself here
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I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?
It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.
It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.
History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?
there are many ways it can happen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a5JgD8AhRjs
watch that and you'll have a better idea to the answer you're asking.
