To what extent, if any, do you think surveillance/security cameras should exist?
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Obligatory deflock mention! (If you see a camera in your city that's not on the map, add it!)
And it sure would be a shame if such cameras got vandalized somehow. Spray painted over, shot at, knocked off the proper viewing angle... So many terrible fates that could befall a camera near you!
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
On private property: up to owner as long as they don't record what is going on outside the property. Notify about recording with signs.
Public spaces: only if there is a good reason to.
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An issue with this is that they are documenting people in their worst moments (violence, fights, rape, abuse, drugs, accidents, etc.). What happens to that footage? Are all cops allowed to freely access it / share it between them? What if the footage gets hacked/leaks, and people all over the world can leer/laugh at people in their most vulnerable moments, or find them in real life and harass them?
Additionally, could police use out-of-context footage to sway public opinion on people (for example, only getting to a scene where a person was being hounded and attacked by people and then defended themselves, and so in the footage you only see that person being violent) (edit:) or in a protest where people become violent/confrontational only after police instigation
Additionally, could police use out-of-context footage to sway public opinion on people
I mean that's not really an argument against the cameras themselves, but against the act of selectively editing it.
That's like saying photos shouldn't be allowed as evidence because photoshop exists.
Maybe a neutral commission (sort of like a jury) should be the ones that handle the the data.
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
On privat property. Trainstations and airports. Museums and other collections.
When i was in the UK i was shocked how there are cameras everywhere
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On private property: up to owner as long as they don't record what is going on outside the property. Notify about recording with signs.
Public spaces: only if there is a good reason to.
Good reason is quite the strechable definition tbf
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
My problems with surveillance is not being surveiled but how that information is used. Surveillance is just a tool and, like weapons, are neither inherently good nor bad.
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
Put them everywhere.
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And it sure would be a shame if such cameras got vandalized somehow. Spray painted over, shot at, knocked off the proper viewing angle... So many terrible fates that could befall a camera near you!
snipe it with a paintball gun from afar
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
honestly theres an argument for putting a camera anywhere, dont want kids to smoke in the halls before class? install a camera. do you want insurance and justice after a home invasion or burglary? install a security system, honestly the only places where its unacceptable to install a camera is in any type of restroom, or personal spaces like a bedroom, there also shouldn't be cameras in places like private offices or places where people will be less productive at the thought of being watched.
also no excessive camera use by the government in public spaces, but private property in that public space makes sense, like a coffe shop, or a mall.
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
Depends what you do with the information. I dont care if a hotel wants to surveil me moving around their building. But I do care when large networks of security cameras track my movement throughout a city.
I dont expect full privacy walking into different shops and through trainstations but I expect those to just be there to review footage if something goes bad. No face scanning no sketchy shit.
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Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
I was just thinking about this the other day. Cameras can be a powerful tool, but in the same way as an axe is a powerful tool. It's all about whose hands wield them, and to what end. I'm loathe to prohibit them as often they are the most reliable witness to events, but I also don't trust essentially anyone to wield their power on a day to day basis. Companies want to use them to collect data for marketing purposes. Governments want to use them to suppress dissent. People want them because they are marketed as making you safer, but most people would probably get as much benefit from a fake security camera as from the most expensive real camera. The systems can become harmful themselves without careful setup and maintenance due to malicious actors. (mirai) How do you empower beneficial uses without empowering malicious ones? I don't really have an answer. I just recognize it as another facet in the larger question of proliferation of powerful tools.
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I was just thinking about this the other day. Cameras can be a powerful tool, but in the same way as an axe is a powerful tool. It's all about whose hands wield them, and to what end. I'm loathe to prohibit them as often they are the most reliable witness to events, but I also don't trust essentially anyone to wield their power on a day to day basis. Companies want to use them to collect data for marketing purposes. Governments want to use them to suppress dissent. People want them because they are marketed as making you safer, but most people would probably get as much benefit from a fake security camera as from the most expensive real camera. The systems can become harmful themselves without careful setup and maintenance due to malicious actors. (mirai) How do you empower beneficial uses without empowering malicious ones? I don't really have an answer. I just recognize it as another facet in the larger question of proliferation of powerful tools.
I think a good way to enable beneficial use while minimizing the possibility of harm is to avoid cloud based services as much as possible. Especially for residential use. If companies made a convenient method of plug and play self hosted cameras, it'd be a hit. But you cant beat the convenienceand price of another mega corp cheap cloud based security camera
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I think a good way to enable beneficial use while minimizing the possibility of harm is to avoid cloud based services as much as possible. Especially for residential use. If companies made a convenient method of plug and play self hosted cameras, it'd be a hit. But you cant beat the convenienceand price of another mega corp cheap cloud based security camera
I like the idea but I won't rate it as likely. 'Plug n play' and 'self-hosted' are generally not compatible concepts, especially for consumer-type users, much less with 'affordable' tossed into the mix. Even just self-hosted by itself is a bit of a reach for most people.
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I like the idea but I won't rate it as likely. 'Plug n play' and 'self-hosted' are generally not compatible concepts, especially for consumer-type users, much less with 'affordable' tossed into the mix. Even just self-hosted by itself is a bit of a reach for most people.
Perhaps self hosted wasn't the right term. What I was going for was locally hosted. It woulf be a single device with OS and drives all installed. It would not be affordable, but it's the only way to make it convenient
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Perhaps self hosted wasn't the right term. What I was going for was locally hosted. It woulf be a single device with OS and drives all installed. It would not be affordable, but it's the only way to make it convenient
Ah, okay. I see now. I've seen things that were essentially that, easy to set up DVR/NVRs for use with compatible cameras.
I still doubt its usefulness for residences though. It won't prevent you from being a victim any better than dummy cameras and a fake security system sign. Its value as an evidentiary tool is based on your local police, so everyone's experience will vary there. -
Legislature Building? Around Courthouses? Banks? Public Transit? Schools? Traffic? On the Streets? Should they exist in all of these places, only some of them, or none at all? What's your opinion?
(Btw: I remember my highschool had them, felt kinda creepy since I distrust the school admin, like... even the other places with cameras didn't feel as weird)
I'm more so afraid of the AI detection and algorithms that the cameras are connected to. A simple camera can turn in to 1984 in no time.
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Ah, okay. I see now. I've seen things that were essentially that, easy to set up DVR/NVRs for use with compatible cameras.
I still doubt its usefulness for residences though. It won't prevent you from being a victim any better than dummy cameras and a fake security system sign. Its value as an evidentiary tool is based on your local police, so everyone's experience will vary there.If I understand correctly, you're saying you wouldn't be able to catch them live? I understood basically all cameras to be primarily for evidence. There would be a level of deterence to some extent, but the cameras themselves wouldn't physically stop a break in. Even if you got a notification and the police came, theres still nothing stopping them from getting away before the police get there. My understanding of the average persons camera setup is not to have a 3rd party monitoring service call the police, or for them to be able to call the police, but rather to have footage of the event.
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If I understand correctly, you're saying you wouldn't be able to catch them live? I understood basically all cameras to be primarily for evidence. There would be a level of deterence to some extent, but the cameras themselves wouldn't physically stop a break in. Even if you got a notification and the police came, theres still nothing stopping them from getting away before the police get there. My understanding of the average persons camera setup is not to have a 3rd party monitoring service call the police, or for them to be able to call the police, but rather to have footage of the event.
The question of whether someone buys as deterrent or evidence collection is individual. Both have some value. Deterrence is actually a much more important part of why one might want cameras, as it puts up signs for experienced thieves that the next place over might be a safer target, and can discourage crimes of opportunity from less organized individuals because people behave differently when they know a camera is watching.
For evidence collection, value is really determined by your enforcement limits and desired goals. If you can't get your local police to take an active interest in the case or go vigilante yourself, the money you spent on cameras won't mean anything. If your system doesn't get usable identifying characteristics, it's useless. And the dark truth of the matter is that evidence means nothing if your goal is safety. If your goal is to be safer, what use is evidence, at any quality? It's great on insurance forms if you have insurance but won't replace your family's physical or mental well being.
Evidentiary value is rarely zero, but people should be aware of what that value is when considering their options.
