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normal people
Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Oh, by "blending some oats" you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn't cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn't taste like complete garbage.
See, two can play that game...
We artificially inseminate because it's healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don't know who told you that garbage. There's also no milk "stealing". Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn't just a problem for high performance cows).You've never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!
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"You don't need chocolate with your peanut butter. Or peanut butter with your jelly. Just have a jelly sandwich." That's what you sound like.
Do that many people really never eat a cookie without milk? I eat milkless cookies all the time.
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During breaks after lunch, my office coworkers all grab small bowls of cereal from the break room and just eat it dry.
I thought it was weird at first but the more I think about it, it shouldn't be. It's pretty much sugary snacks.
Honestly, if you can define the cereal you eat as "sugary snack", get better cereal.
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Milk bad Cheese good
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Lime milk is where i draw the line. Gtfo here with that abomination of dairy
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It wasn't meant as any sort of insult, more of the trope of overanalizing innocuous things.
I was considering just not replying to this but I decided that this mindset makes me too sad.
If an artist decides to include something in their work, it is likely going to be relevant in some way.
To use the stupid meme example of "the curtains were fucking blue" your teacher wasn't telling you that blue curtains = sadness, they were telling you to think critically about what the writer chose to include in the text.
"The curtains were fucking blue" can be a valid interpretation, but the issue is when people stop their thinking at that surface level and ridicule any deeper analysis of a work.
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Oh, by "blending some oats" you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn't cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn't taste like complete garbage.
See, two can play that game...
We artificially inseminate because it's healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don't know who told you that garbage. There's also no milk "stealing". Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn't just a problem for high performance cows).You've never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!
I've looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal
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Oh, by "blending some oats" you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn't cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn't taste like complete garbage.
See, two can play that game...
We artificially inseminate because it's healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don't know who told you that garbage. There's also no milk "stealing". Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn't just a problem for high performance cows).You've never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.
we add tons of god knows what chemicals
This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I'm from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous "chemicals" to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn't transcends this.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald's can sell you cheap beef burgers.
most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
We did that to them by breeding them like that. That's Bullshit Bingo #32.Also, if you don't want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people! We're losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC
I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit.
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So, I was an evil psychopath since I was young. Thanks. I'm proud of myself.
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normal people
Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.
You're not allowed to say the truth and make milk boys feel weird.
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I've looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal
What happens to the other 97%?
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Lime milk is where i draw the line. Gtfo here with that abomination of dairy
Lime milk probably becomes curd soon
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normal people
Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.
We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals' tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.
Normal is the right word.
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We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals' tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.
Normal is the right word.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Normal, natural and necessary are the three N's of Carnism. Also:
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat tooYes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics.
Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself "What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now"? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.Shouldn't you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don't do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn't we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?
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You're not allowed to say the truth and make milk boys feel weird.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"Udder Boys against the Oatification of Milk!"
Damn, I need to copyright that!
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What happens to the other 97%?
they're brought to full weight and slaughtered, or become dairy cows and produce milk
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I've looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no?
no
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You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.
we add tons of god knows what chemicals
This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I'm from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous "chemicals" to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn't transcends this.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald's can sell you cheap beef burgers.
most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
We did that to them by breeding them like that. That's Bullshit Bingo #32.Also, if you don't want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people! We're losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC
I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit.
soy ... destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people!
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn't feed it to livestock. that's a conservation of resources.
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soy ... destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people!
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn't feed it to livestock. that's a conservation of resources.
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I don't know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.
