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Canada will send $5B in aid to Ukraine using funds from seized Russian assets, PM Trudeau says

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    Nato without US, but with Australia, New Zealand, Japan: the three countries reaffirmed and announced new sanctions at the start of this week.

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      Canada will send $5 billion in aid to Ukraine using funds from seized Russian assets, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Monday at a peace and security summit in Kyiv.

      Trudeau made the pledge as he and a dozen other world leaders are in the Ukrainian capital to mark the third anniversary of Russia’s invasion, where support for Ukraine to end the war on its terms and with its territory intact remained strong.

      “This is not a conflict Ukraine wanted, provoked or asked for in any way,” Trudeau said at the summit table.

      “This is a war started for one reason and one reason only: Russia’s desire to erase Ukrainian history and expand their empire.”

      [...]

      “We cannot return to an era where might makes right,” Trudeau said. “We must do everything in our power to enable Ukraine to secure a just and lasting peace, a peace that cannot be achieved without Ukrainians at the table.”

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      Oh no... but this will set the dangerous precedent that other countries will seize the assets of foreign invaders. What will we do....

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        Nato(no US though).

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        Meanwhile US is busy slamming tariffs on their allies.

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          Yeah, and don't forget that the UK announces largest sanctions package against Russia since 2022

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          So it's like the entire world against USA and RUS, except for far right parties like the one in Italy and Germany?
          We need a map to understand allies

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          • a_a@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

            Good. First country to make such a pledge, as, previous actions were to freeze russian assets and use them as guarantee to secure loans for Ukraine or to use interest on seized assets for Ukraine. Before Canada takes action on this, i hope other countries will make similar pledges.

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            Someone awhile ago posted that this isn't necessarily a good way to do it and it logically made some sense at the time (but that was like a year ago)

            Part of trying to end the war is to give reasons for it to end.

            One of those reasons is the removal of sanctions.

            When you're simply using the interest, or a loan backed by assets, you can always dangle the sanctioned assets as part of a benefit of ending the war. Maybe not 100% but we'll give you 80% back if you stop today, and 20% to rebuilding.

            By liquidating the assets so the proceeds can be given to Ukraine, you do make it harder for the aggressor to maintain the war and win, but you've now removed an incentive to end it.

            Before it's the carrot and the stick. That's usually more effective than sticks.

            Granted... how long can you do the carrot and the stick if it just outright doesn't work.

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              Yeah, and don't forget that the UK announces largest sanctions package against Russia since 2022

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                Someone awhile ago posted that this isn't necessarily a good way to do it and it logically made some sense at the time (but that was like a year ago)

                Part of trying to end the war is to give reasons for it to end.

                One of those reasons is the removal of sanctions.

                When you're simply using the interest, or a loan backed by assets, you can always dangle the sanctioned assets as part of a benefit of ending the war. Maybe not 100% but we'll give you 80% back if you stop today, and 20% to rebuilding.

                By liquidating the assets so the proceeds can be given to Ukraine, you do make it harder for the aggressor to maintain the war and win, but you've now removed an incentive to end it.

                Before it's the carrot and the stick. That's usually more effective than sticks.

                Granted... how long can you do the carrot and the stick if it just outright doesn't work.

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                Say you don't pay your speeding ticket ... now authorities temporarily takes your car. You still don't pay and have tickets for $100,000 ? ... sorry, you won't have your car back.

                Comparing this to russ : a terrorist used their car to crash into a crowd + millions in damage ... do you give them a bonus ?

                All of this seems crazy ... and things are getting worse week by week.

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                  Say you don't pay your speeding ticket ... now authorities temporarily takes your car. You still don't pay and have tickets for $100,000 ? ... sorry, you won't have your car back.

                  Comparing this to russ : a terrorist used their car to crash into a crowd + millions in damage ... do you give them a bonus ?

                  All of this seems crazy ... and things are getting worse week by week.

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                  This whole thing is crazy yes, but I'm not sure you understand how sanctions work given your example.

                  Russia is attacking Ukraine yes, but Canada seized Russian assets that aren't part of the war, such as (made up examples) real estates, boats, businesses, money in bank accounts.

                  If Russia ends the war, the sanctions go away and they get those back. That's the entire point of what sanctions are.

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                    This whole thing is crazy yes, but I'm not sure you understand how sanctions work given your example.

                    Russia is attacking Ukraine yes, but Canada seized Russian assets that aren't part of the war, such as (made up examples) real estates, boats, businesses, money in bank accounts.

                    If Russia ends the war, the sanctions go away and they get those back. That's the entire point of what sanctions are.

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                    For me the follow-up is here :
                    https://lemmy.world/post/26015432
                    WATCH: Macron interrupts Trump to correct him about Ukraine funding

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                      China is decisively supporting Russia in its war against Ukraine.

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                        What do the colors mean? The legend is not super helpful lol

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                          China is decisively supporting Russia in its war against Ukraine.

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                          It's a WIP. This is the code:

                          wget https://www.naturalearthdata.com/http//www.naturalearthdata.com/download/110m/cultural/ne_110m_admin_0_countries.zip

                          Then use this: https://gist.github.com/suoko/89e43309306abd8f89191d33b0cabb66

                          Not 100% sure about China though

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                            What do the colors mean? The legend is not super helpful lol

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                            It was a quick one: Red=against, Blue=pro, Grey=Not sure

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                              It was a quick one: Red=against, Blue=pro, Grey=Not sure

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                              If blue is pro-russia, why is Canada marked as blue for example? The article above clearly demonstrates the opposite stance

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                                If blue is pro-russia, why is Canada marked as blue for example? The article above clearly demonstrates the opposite stance

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                                Pro Ukraine independence.

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                                  Pro Ukraine independence.

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                                  So why is the title "Countries stance on Russia", sorry for my lack of understanding

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                                    So why is the title "Countries stance on Russia", sorry for my lack of understanding

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                                    It was a quickly-generated map

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                                      It was a quickly-generated map

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                                      Did you do that on Matplotlib ? That's pretty great and exciting that it allows to work with geographic data. Even if I didn't understand the map I find it cool that you made it

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                                        Did you do that on Matplotlib ? That's pretty great and exciting that it allows to work with geographic data. Even if I didn't understand the map I find it cool that you made it

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                                        check below, it's python

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                                          Did you do that on Matplotlib ? That's pretty great and exciting that it allows to work with geographic data. Even if I didn't understand the map I find it cool that you made it

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                                          here https://feddit.it/post/15174918/11911124

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