'For too long, Apple has operated a walled garden around its products': The EU forces Apple to open its closed system to third parties
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I'm not affected by this in the slightest, and I do not think people that buy iOS devices will care about their newfound freedom
Yeah, most Apple users won't care or even know, and will just keep using whatever it is that Apple gives them. I don't see how that's an issue.
Meanwhile, people who are at least slightly more informed will benefit from the freedom. Things like this are needed because informed consumers too are getting shafted in about every product category. Voting with your wallet doesn't work in a market dominated by uninformed consumers.
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Maybe Nintendo, Sony and MS will be next?
I want a 3rd party store on all my consoles, why can’t I?
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I don’t get the argument. It’s not like you are forced to buy iPhones, there a plenty of brands available.
According to recent data iOS is 30% of the market while android is almost 70% (in Europe).
I used android phones for most of my life. I tried to install alternative OS few time but my banking apps all refused to execute. There were always plenty of apps that were forbidden to remove (Facebook, Samsung applications,…). Then 4 years ago I bought an iPhone. No preinstalled shitty news app, Facebook, etc. Was even able to uninstall the default apps that I do not use. I feel to have much more freedom than before. Apple is not perfect by any means but it’s far from being a prison.Does Apple advertise themselves as "we will disrespect our customers"? No? Then they should be banned from the market for matket fraud. Enforcing openness is just a soft way to handle that...
My mum had the choice not to buy Apple, but she did because she thought it's good, but it's bad, so it wasn't advertised correctly.
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I'm not affected by this in the slightest, and I do not think people that buy iOS devices will care about their newfound freedom
Oh they do. They love type-c.
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I'm not affected by this in the slightest, and I do not think people that buy iOS devices will care about their newfound freedom
"cheese should never be made again, since I have lactose intolerance." type of argument, sure, some of us aren't affected in the slightest currently, but how about in the future? How do you know you'll not have your devices locked down via updates?
I've got an android phone, I can install any app I want or build and run my own on the fly for instance, way different from my iPad, but what's realistically stopping google from locking these freedoms down?
You might not be affected now, but supporting this and others like it would likely still affect you in the long term in a good way, possibly giving you even more rights to your device, like what I would love, to uninstall preloaded system apps that I've never used.
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Honestly, both here and on Reddit I see more of that blind faith for Google and Microsoft. It’s so weird that the open-source community has a slice of people insisting their giant company is somehow virtuous because it’s slightly less fashionable. Even weirder when they write paragraph’s psychoanalyzing imaginary people.
Honestly, both here and on Reddit I see more of that blind faith for Google and Microsoft. It’s so weird that the open-source community has a slice of people insisting their giant company is somehow virtuous because it’s slightly less fashionable.
Even weirder when they write paragraph’s psychoanalyzing imaginary people.
Oh, the irony!
It's funny how your attempt at psychoanalyzing me from my post ended up relying on the idea that because I'm not pro-Apple then I must be for some other large company.
What you just did is called Projection - you're interpreting others as if they were you and had your drives and motivations.
Allow me to introduce you to the idea that some people simply don't think that having an emotional relation towards a brand, any brand, is healthy, and that not everybody is some brand-fan fighting against the fans of other brands like they're sports teams.
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Would grapheneOS work well on a Boox Tab Ultra C?
No. GrapheneOS only supports Google Pixel devices. I do not know if the Boox boot loader can be unlocked to support any custom ROMs.
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This is very bad. Their walled garden is perfect for the young, elderly, and stupid.
Hopefully some competitor arrives to replace them.
You're right, they are like a bike with training wheels, helmet, and pads.
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Maybe Nintendo, Sony and MS will be next?
I want a 3rd party store on all my consoles, why can’t I?
Not skilled enough hackerboy
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Mod your damn consoles!
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Yeah, most Apple users won't care or even know, and will just keep using whatever it is that Apple gives them. I don't see how that's an issue.
Meanwhile, people who are at least slightly more informed will benefit from the freedom. Things like this are needed because informed consumers too are getting shafted in about every product category. Voting with your wallet doesn't work in a market dominated by uninformed consumers.
There are also those of us who like some Apple products but do not buy them because of the walled garden. The EU might improve choices for us too.
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Companies that do anti-consumer practices shouldn't think it's the norm
Yes, and they would know if people would start voting with their wallets.
The whole point of a walled garden is to stop people (their wallets, really) leaving.
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Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit, it's a myth corpos are telling people so we regulate them less. They have so much power to inject themselves into human's lives, make themselves part of your existence. You can for example try to walletvote Microsoft out of your life whatever the fuck you want, while you were trying it, they bought a politician or twelve, and now they're part of your government, your education system, your military, and your finance sector.
While democracy still exists, the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations.Exactly this! Capitalism without regulation leads to dictatorship of few cooperations that have the power to let you starve, if you not comply.
How do people not see that?!
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This is very bad. Their walled garden is perfect for the young, elderly, and stupid.
Hopefully some competitor arrives to replace them.
It is not the walled garden that makes it easy, I mean, only because you open up doesn’t mean that your costumer still can buy only apple and it just works..
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You can certainly argue that more control makes iPhones safer, since its harder to get malicious software on the phone. But Apple is also abusing their control for their own gain.
You could also argue that locking you in a room would be safer than letting you walk freely out in the world. But I don't we want that either.
Well, but it is just as hard to find exploits for white heads, and this leads to open exploits that last for ages, even if actively used by black heads.
There is no security by obfuscation
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I don’t get the argument. It’s not like you are forced to buy iPhones, there a plenty of brands available.
According to recent data iOS is 30% of the market while android is almost 70% (in Europe).
I used android phones for most of my life. I tried to install alternative OS few time but my banking apps all refused to execute. There were always plenty of apps that were forbidden to remove (Facebook, Samsung applications,…). Then 4 years ago I bought an iPhone. No preinstalled shitty news app, Facebook, etc. Was even able to uninstall the default apps that I do not use. I feel to have much more freedom than before. Apple is not perfect by any means but it’s far from being a prison.Yea, now try to get away from apple again
They have me as well, because I am connected with my family through various apple only features now. Apple One, apple family share, location sharing with family, mail service, photos in the cloud, and a lot more
My family would rather gift me an iPhone than switching all to FOSS services, hell, even only switching my GF to not iOS is pain.
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Destroys their entire business model
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Not the biggest fan of this tbh. People who want open standards should just not buy iOS devices. It's not that hard.
This is such a lazy argument, it doesn't add any kind of value and it shows you don't care about how other people are treated. Please stop doing this.
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This is such a lazy argument, it doesn't add any kind of value and it shows you don't care about how other people are treated. Please stop doing this.
you don’t care about how other people are treated
True, I do not care about how apple users are treated. They have - voluntarily - decided to buy a device that is known to be anti-consumer.
If we talk about restricting stuff like rent, food prices etc, so essentials, I'm on board. But Apple? Nah. Nobody forces you to shell out that much money for a smartphone.
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Destroys their entire business model
Their entire business model has been to focus on systems that lock people in and exclude people who are out. None of this is done for security or as a means for the best possible customer experience. It's done for the sole purpose of forcing income they couldn't achieve with innovation alone.
I've heard so many tech reviewers and even my own personal friends who say they would love to switch if only to try something else. They say they'd switch today if their friends, family and coworkers wouldn't get mad at them. Apples only real innovation over the past ten years has been built in social pressure. -
Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit, it's a myth corpos are telling people so we regulate them less. They have so much power to inject themselves into human's lives, make themselves part of your existence. You can for example try to walletvote Microsoft out of your life whatever the fuck you want, while you were trying it, they bought a politician or twelve, and now they're part of your government, your education system, your military, and your finance sector.
While democracy still exists, the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations.Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit
Disagree completely. It's the most effective tool we have to control corpos that does not rely on another entity.
they bought a politician or twelve ... the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations
So, you yourself say they buy politicians, but in the same sentence, you want the people they are buying to fight their power with regulations?
Do you see where you went wrong here?
