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Trump’s US doesn’t just think Europe is obsolete – it wants to see it dead

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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

    Summary

    The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

    There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

    European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

    Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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    TBF, they want everyone dead.

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    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

      Summary

      The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

      There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

      European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

      Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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      That's because Trump's US is actually Putin's US. And Putin wants Europe weak and malleable.

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        Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy, hardly suprising facists dont like us

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        Same reason they hate Canada.

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          It's the south, they hate that the coasts respect Europe more, and that it's generally atheist (atheist in their mind means anything outside of evangelical southern baptists, ie the true religion).

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          But Europe has the literal Vatican! That's where the religion comes from!

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          • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

            Summary

            The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

            There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

            European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

            Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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            Not necessarily, they just want to make Europe white again and aren’t very professional.

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            • infynis@midwest.socialI [email protected]

              But Europe has the literal Vatican! That's where the religion comes from!

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              Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

              Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

              Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

              I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

              This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

              Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                A couple issues.

                The Signal chat didn't show that anyone wanted Europe dead. Agree or not, it showed that the administration wants Europe to be responsible for their own military interests (As though the US received nothing from being the security for the West over the past 75 years.)

                If they want to see Europe destroyed, those receipts have to come from elsewhere.

                Secondly, helping Ukraine is in everyone's interest except for Trump and the GOP. Stopping the stupid fucking tariffs is in America's interests. Trump succumbing to his age is in America's interests.

                Don't confuse America's interests with those of the people who want to destroy and weaken America. Other than that, the point is correct. Europe needs to be much more active in Ukraine, even if the US administration may object.

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                US as a security of the west is like running next to a bull to stay safe (better not wear anything red). They were never protecting other nations, but rather their business interests/opportunities.
                Look at the last example of "protection" deal. "Sign over minerals."; "And then you will protect us, right?"; "You do not hold the cards.".. It's more like finding an exploit, labeling terrorists/freedom fighters, deploying troops ("Say thank you troops"), kill anyone resisting the deal -- profit.

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                  US as a security of the west is like running next to a bull to stay safe (better not wear anything red). They were never protecting other nations, but rather their business interests/opportunities.
                  Look at the last example of "protection" deal. "Sign over minerals."; "And then you will protect us, right?"; "You do not hold the cards.".. It's more like finding an exploit, labeling terrorists/freedom fighters, deploying troops ("Say thank you troops"), kill anyone resisting the deal -- profit.

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                  You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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                    You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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                    The difference these last few months has been the lack of any restraint when talking about it, because of the incredibly low IQ of people in charge rn. When did US ever engage in war without securing wealth or land? Selfless defence is not even on the list of general reasons for war. Number one is economic gain. It's always a defence contract or straight up looting. When all you have is a hammer..

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                    • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      Summary

                      The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

                      There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

                      European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

                      Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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                      But of course. Democratic countries doing very well with policies far more socialist than would be politically expedient for the US? Can't have that.

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                        Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

                        Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

                        Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

                        I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

                        This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

                        Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                        Which makes it extra ironic the so-called White House faith office is pulling shit like selling $1,000 Easter miracles.

                        That’s practically the old Catholic indulgences and those were literally one of the reasons for the great schism; that kind of shit is why Protestants exist to begin with THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE PROTESTING

                        They have so utterly and comprehensively lost the plot and betrayed everything they claimed to stand for

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                        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          Summary

                          The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

                          There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

                          European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

                          Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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                          This is capitalism. There are no "allies" in the race to destroy the planet.

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                            Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy, hardly suprising facists dont like us

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                            Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy,

                            I think you mean colonialism and white supremacy.

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                            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Summary

                              The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

                              There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

                              European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

                              Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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                              Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.

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                                Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

                                Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

                                Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

                                I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

                                This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

                                Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                                I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

                                My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

                                That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

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                                  Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

                                  Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

                                  Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

                                  I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

                                  This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

                                  Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                                  Interesting. Wild, but interesting. I consider Mormons to be Christian too, I didn't realize it was its own thing, I thought it was just the blanket term for religions that worship Jesus.

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                                    I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

                                    My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

                                    That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

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                                    Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

                                    Orthodox Christians: excuse yourself bitch!

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                                      Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.

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                                      Careful with Denmark. Our immigration laws have become pretty strict. We're also a pretty tiny country.

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                                        Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

                                        Orthodox Christians: excuse yourself bitch!

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                                        come at me, bro...

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                                          Careful with Denmark. Our immigration laws have become pretty strict. We're also a pretty tiny country.

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                                          Unfortunately a lot of European countries have been going down that dark path, just not as far along as the US. I'm cautiously hopeful that the current events will help steer us back in the right direction but we'll see..

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